If Malik played seven minutes, you'd be on here ing about him not getting enough run to warm up. Barry plays 7 and misses 3 shots with a hand in his face, and he's had enough time to show you something. I give up.Yeah these 7 minute 0-2 2 turnover games are fantastic contributions.
Hes a bench player, so what, hes supposed to be the greatest shooter of all time.
1 out of 3 is not out of the question.
It's not surprising, this is two different discussions. We'll lose in the playoffs due to Pop's sucking an egg on offense vs. the zone, and Barry is already lined up as the scapegoat. The story will go that Barry was unhappy about PT, and he will be shipped off to never never land.All good free throw shooters.
Not seeing your point.
On the FT shooting, this is about the guys who get a free pass on this team constantly because Pop is too much of a pussy to address the situation.
Rasho's playing bad, you bench him and call him out in the press. Tim can't shoot FTs, and you can't address it because it'll hurt his feelings. Nice coaching.
All rookies have one TOWhy did Barry miss open shots and turn the ball over like a rookie?
In a back to back PT can make all the difference.When the entire Spurs team is fncked like tonight, end to end, playing Horry or Barry, ain't gonna make a big difference, if any diff at all.
Do you know what SA all the loses are because of Pop. Everytime he puts in the wrong players or he just (*# up. He puts tim with 4 guards on the court. come on who whould do that only a dumb a__ would do that. Then again no one was shooting good. Sorry but Tim is sorry on the free throw line. Maybe if he tries another shooting position then maybe he might make it. They say is a MVP player come on get real this year is sorry. I am a fan for life. Born and raised in S.A. If the spurs lose again look at what pop does. And if they don't make the Finals just blam it on pop S.A. I love my spurs but pop doesn't know what he is really doing. Look at the houston game. 3 three, 1 four pointer and a lost. what was Devin thinking in the last mins. If pop would know what he is doing then maybe we will make the finals one day or should I say one of these years...............
the 80% ft shooting Antonio Daniels??
Yeah trade him, cause, uh, I dont know, hes missing free throws.
Brent Barry against Jameer Nelson and Steve Francis.
Theres a pretty sight.
But, he can shoot!!
oops, 0-3, I forgot the 1 on 5 layup that got swatted that one time.
Dont cheat him shots.[/QUOTE]
Well we're already looking up in the standings at two teams. I guess we should be trying for more?These mid December games are huge.
I never said he was. When will you admit the same about Pop?But Brent Barry is infalliable.
I just that he should get some run. Both he and Horry need minutes, especially when three guys out there (Bowen, Brown, and Udrih) aren't getting it done. Where were either of them when Orlando was kicking our ass with the zone?
Why do you hire a guy to be a zone buster then give him a DNP-CD?
It was a big game. We lost because of Pop. We've lost at least two games from Pop being an idiot with subs utions.
I didn't say for sure I would...only that I might. So STFU.And your lying, even if someone did say why he didnt play, you wouldnt shut up.
Because Pop's a rigid dumbass and an offensive moron. Because he never plays those spots on his bench consistent minutes historically..so he's not going to now.....just because he doesn't...regardless of if he's got two guys that could be the 6th man for just about any team in the NBA sitting in those spots.Why didnt Horry play??
He didn't miss as many as Devin...might have been a wise idea to see if he could get our offense going...like he did in the last game, like he has in just about every game he has gotten substantial minutes in... and maybe he could hit a ing FT as well.Why did Barry miss open shots and turn the ball over like a rookie?
Really, must have been a ghost, cause those 2 threes were WIDE ing open.with a hand in his face
Hes other genius shot was a 1 on 5 layup. But, thats pop's fault he missed that.
DAMN HIM.
When did Pop's say it would hurt his feelings or confidence if he adressed it?Rasho's playing bad, you bench him and call him out in the press. Tim can't shoot FTs, and you can't address it because it'll hurt his feelings. Nice coaching.
Link......
Still waiting on the link Pop saying Barry sucks....
Why did Devin? Bowen? Udrih? Barry had ONE turnover. Yeah, bench the er.turn the ball over like a rookie?
delgadov, I mean Tpark, at least bring a unique take if you're going to go through the trouble of making a new account.
Get Rid Of Pop S.a.
No he missed 3 Devin missed 7.He didn't miss as many as Devin...might have been a wise idea to see if he could get our offense going...like he did in the last game, and maybe he could hit a ing FT as well
But thats your comeback for that?
Well well well DEVIN MISSED MORE!!!!!
Lol, not even the Barrysuckers have an excuse for him.
His hair was in his eyes
His dad was there
it was cold
Barry had ONE turnover
try two
the driving in on 5 guys and shooting up a prayer that gets swatted to Warren Sapp's seat is a turnover.
BTW, me and this clown cant type at the same time.
Plus he hates Pop.
Im supposedly a popsucker.
Read genius.
Malik, all six five of him, goes up against two 6'10" guys at least once a game, if not more, and gets rudely rejected, where's your criticism for him?Hes other genius shot was a 1 on 5 layup. But, thats pop's fault he missed that.
DAMN HIM.
Oh give me a ing break Tpark. Two years ago when Tim's FT was the lead on sports every night, Pop said he didn't want to bring in a FT coach because it would be an insult to Tim and mess him up in the head.When did Pop's say it would hurt his feelings or confidence if he adressed it?
Link.....
Don't give me this "when did that happen, LINK" , you were here on this board (well, the old one) and read it, as did everyone else. I guess selective memory is a requirement for Popsuckers.
That's as much a turnover as missing two free throws.the driving in on 5 guys and shooting up a prayer that gets swatted to Warren Sapp's seat is a turnover.
Don't say Barry didn't get PT because of missing shots...
It happened because Pop doesn't appreciate the importance of offense.
Barry, Manu, Duncan, Horry, Parker is the best lineup we can throw on the court this season...
We didn't use it once this game.
We didn't use it in the second half of the Houston, first Orlando, or Detroit games either.
Figure the ing trend out.
It's Pop doing this...he has this deep ing bench, it has impact players on it to all but the last two men...and he won't ing use it when he most needs it because he's clings to defense like a security blanket...he won't try and change the complexion of the game. He'll just sit there and choke rather than acknowledge the need for offense.
He's been coaching scared in big games all season, he's been coaching stupid in those games all season.
This isn't just me piling on because of a loss..I been saying this for a while.
Now fix it!
It's ing stupid.
That and playing like a bonehead.Don't say Barry didn't get PT because of missing shots
But if you just give him MORE TIME!!!!!!!!
Honestly dont remember this.Don't give me this "when did that happen, LINK" , you were here on this board (well, the old one) and read it, as did everyone else. I guess selective memory is a requirement for Popsuckers.
But I visit a few times a day, Im not a forum stalker.
DEVIN should have been on the bench.
Excuses don't win you games, no matter who you make them for. Seriously, didn't it dawn to you at some point tonight that we needed to make some changes? I know what you're thinking, we haven't lost this game yet - there's still to come back, right?No he missed 3 Devin missed 7.
But thats your comeback for that?
Well well well DEVIN MISSED MORE!!!!!
Lol, not even the Barrysuckers have an excuse for him.
But I visit a few times a day, Im not a forum stalker.http://spurstalk.com/forums/memberli...sts&pp=30<r=T Park
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Aggie is totally right, this loss is completely and totally on Pop's shoulders. He coached this game like he had nobody sitting there on the bench. This team will not advance past the second round unless we can hit outside shots and it's high time our staff realizes that. Tim Duncan will continue to get double and triple teamed until guys like Brent Barry, Devin Brown, Robert Horry, Tony Parker etc. start hitting their shots. Gregg Popovich was in a giving mood tonight in Orlando because he coached the second half as if he wanted the opposition to win. Devin Brown had no ing business being on the bench, let alone in the game yet Pop played him 10 of 12 minutes in the fourth.
Pop needs to work Brent Barry into the rotation or trade him. You've got probably twenty other GMs in the league salivating at the prospect of having Barry coming off their bench and we've got him riding pine. Some of that is deserved but tonight was just plain stubborn and dumb of Pop to let him and Horry sit there while Johnny Davis threw the zone at us every single ing possession.
Don't even get me started with the seven foot pussy flap that is Rasho. His presence on this team makes less and less sense with every passing game. Pop should have him shot in the back of the head in a alley somewhere and left for dead. Rasho with a bullet hole in the back of his head would be more aggressive that the one we're seeing here.
What a horribly depressing performance from everyone not named Bowen or Duncan. If the Spurs bring this kind of effort tomorrow night against the Big Ticket, they'll get stomped like a narc at a biker rally.
Out.
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Don't even get me started with the seven foot pussy flap that is Rasho. His presence of this team makes less and less sense with every passing game. Pop should have him shot in the back of the head in a alley somewhere and left for dead. Rasho with a bullet hole in the back of his head would be more aggressive that the one we're seeing here.
While at first glance, I find this paragraph revolting, and not suprising.
I look at Rasho's numbers
11 rebounds
2 blocks.
Yup. Sucks.
Seriously Mr " the Management"
Lay off the Kill Rasho bs.
Wich Im sure your hoping forWhat a horribly depressing performance from everyone not named Bowen or Duncan. If the Spurs bring this kind of effort tomorrow night against the Big Ticket, they'll get stomped like a narc at a biker rally.
"turtleneck and blazer'
Seeing as your a big Timberwolves fan.
BTW, I have no problems with Rasho tonight. He had 11 boards and a couple of blocks, which is what we want from him.
I thought Johnny Davis gave us a gift late in the third when he stopped running zone and went back to man to man, but Pop turned around and gave that charity right back to him with his dumbass subs utions the rest of the way.
I just want someone to explain to me why our zonebusters (Rob, Brent) sit on the damn bench while we go six minutes without a bucket against the zone.
People need to realize Devin, as much as I like him, has cooled off of late. He even hesitates more before shooting now, something I can only surmise is a result of Pop's handling of Barry to date. DBrown got 24 minutes tonight, went 2 for 9, while Brent and Horry combined for 7 minutes, one DNP-CD, and three FG attempts. That's beyond stupid, and you can't blame anyone on the court for that - you have to blame the coach.
The real reason for the loss tonight.........The entire team didn't play worth a crap!
Is getting 11 rebounds really that impressive for a seven foot starting center? What about the 1/6 shooting night and the wicked 2 points in 28 minutes? What about the fact that your boy averages less points a game than our backup point guard? What about the FACT that Nesterovic's numbers are down from last year in points per game, field goal percentage, free throw percentage (he's a league worst 39% by the way), blocks and rebounds? What do you have to say about that? Let's hear another one of T Park's well researched counterpoints here. Please, Rasho is to intensity what you are to credibility. Basically you're a re with 2 extra IQ points and I refuse to engage your sorry ass in any way.
If you invested more time in bringing a take instead of kiddie porn and pop tarts, then maybe, just maybe people would take you more seriously than the Iraqi Minister of Communications.
Yeah, Rasho is solid just like the Americans are nowhere near Baghdad right ?
Tpark wake up. Walton wants to see the Spurs succeed, as do I. The only way you can improve is to recognize your problems and deal with them. Right now our problems are zone offense and FT shooting, and unfortunately for everyone except the Laker clowns who post here (oh and tbong and SickDSM) it doesn't seem like those problems are being addressed.
Just more of the same "aw shucks" hyperbole from the coaches, and it's clear who this year's scapegoat is already set up to be. It's already setting up to be another year of TD's prime down the drain, because it's the same old problems plagueing this team, and I'd bet money that we will continue to see more and more zone as the season progresses.
I'd even go so far as to say that if you are playing us in a playoff series and can come up with 4-5 defensive gimmicks to employ, our coaching staff will be incapable of adjusting until the offseason.
Orlando is a scrub team and this is two games within a week where they have neutered our offense for a substantial stretch with nothing more than a 2-3 zone that 18-19 year olds can break with a little coaching in the college game, but is some how confusing and altogether dumbfounding to our million dollar coaching staff.
The Spurs have money wrapped up in people who can't shoot. And one of the best shooters in the nba has been changed to a one dimensional pop player and has been demoted to cotton candy seller.
Pop is a ing idiot. I have been saying this for years.
Rasho, Anthony Carter and Charlie Ward proved that long ago.
I am a little confused..... arent we 20-6 in DECEMBER? We are behind two teams in the standing, neither of which are in our division. One has a loong storied history of good starts and second half collapses. The other is an up start with two new faces in crucial places. neither team plays any D.
Do any of you guys crying "the sky is falling" really believe there is a team in the NBA who can beat us in a 7 game series? That is all that matter. December doesnt mean anything. One loss means nothing. This team always starts slow and has agains this year. If this team can ratchet it up a notch in the second half same as they did last year this has the potential to be one of the best Spurs teams of all time.
Some of you guys need to lay off the egg nogg and relax for a bit.
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