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He will not get suspended. His name is not Kobe Bryant or Ron Artest.
For anyone to say that the play from Nash wasn't dirty is wrong. He got burned and reacted foolishly. Too bad for the Bobcats though.
He will not get suspended. His name is not Kobe Bryant or Ron Artest.
I only saw the play once and it looked like what Steve did was an unnatural act, but I wouldn't say he had the intent to injure... His man got past him, he stuck his leg out like a soccer player would, and tripped Raymond. There was nothing going through his mind telling him, "Man, I have to hurt this guy."
That said, Steve should probably get suspended one game.
It's not only about the intent to harm, it's the control of your body parts....see Kobe's flailing arms.....no one really wants to hurt the other person.....2 games.
Don't expect those pale Nash knobgobblers (Stein, Chris Sheridan, Chad Ford) to say anything either.
Black guys using dirty tactics = cornrowed tatted-out thugs bringing down the game.
Great White Hype using dirty tactics = crafty vet digging into his bag of tricks to help his team win.
Shaq should've won MVP in 2005, since the Lakers got two good players for him and went from the Finals to missing the playoffs. Meanwhile, the Mavs lost Nash, replaced him with a mediocre big and won 6 more games.
It should've been Kobe in 2006 for getting a D-League team into the playoffs, but the writers were so enamored with the Suns getting 54 wins without Duh'mare. I really like Nash personally, but I'm really irritated by how overrated and overhyped he is.
So its all about race? I would disagree, although I would classify Nash as a media favorite but not because he is white.Don't expect those pale Nash knobgobblers (Stein, Chris Sheridan, Chad Ford) to say anything either.
Black guys using dirty tactics = cornrowed tatted-out thugs bringing down the game.
Great White Hype using dirty tactics = crafty vet digging into his bag of tricks to help his team win.
There are also those who say Bowen is a crafty vet and he is not white. Then again there are those who say he is dirty but he doesn't have cornrows...he doesn't even have hair.
Great. Now I am confused again!
although the use of "knobgobblers" was pretty funny.
I think it is unconsciously about race to a large degree. Not 100 percent, but you have these fat white guys who never played, and on a subconscious level they have to identify more with a guy who came from an upper-middle class background, has interests beyond basketball, and can hold his own in a very black world. And they have an equally hard time identifying or being able to empathize with guys who came from disadvantaged backgrounds, have tats or ethnic hairstyles, and have a much different life experience than they did (stars dating back to their junior-high days because of athletic skill), whereas a guy like Nash was very much a late bloomer when it came to basketball and barely got a D-1 scholarship.So its all about race? I would disagree, although I would classify Nash as a media favorite but not because he is white.
Yes, Kobe should have won it in 06 and history will show that being one of the best reg season's by a player in a long time. 2 games suspension....let's wait and see....
It's a mixed bag, and I think a lot has to do with the reputation of a player. Need I remind anyone over 25 years old the dirtiest player in NBA history was white, and well do ented?So its all about race? I would disagree, although I would classify Nash as a media favorite but not because he is white.
There are also those who say Bowen is a crafty vet and he is not white. Then again there are those who say he is dirty but he doesn't have cornrows...he doesn't even have hair.
Great. Now I am confused again!
And no, I'm not talking about Stockton, though that offers a nice parallel. What Stockton did on the court was cheap and dirty, but there is a difference between pulling on their shorts or holding them from moving around a screen, and tripping someone/swinging elbows erratically with the intent to initiate hard contact.
Both Stockton and Malone were maligned as dirty players, despite the racial difference. Yet Malone got arguably the worse rep, due to the fact that his actions were extremely physical and noticeable. Not that Stockton never did anything of the sort, but I think it's oversimplifying to say this is all about race.
Then I guess I am a racist too. I am one of those "fat white guys who never played" at least not basketball, and I have written articles about bad athlete behavior. I never played high school, college or pro basketball and I never have pretended I know what a player at those levels goes through but as someone who knows the history of the sport as well as the NCAA and NBA and knows the fundamentals of the game I feel pretty qualified to call out a guy who flips off a fan, throws a punch or gets women all over the league pregnant and ignores those kids. I know that tattoos, cornrows and bling doesn't make someone a thug...their actions do. I was a suburban white kid but surprising as it seems we didn't have money or things handed to us as kids. I can empathize about being disadvantaged financially and I doubt I am the only one. I guess I am racist because I don't believe that bad actions should be excused because of race.I think it is unconsciously about race to a large degree. Not 100 percent, but you have these fat white guys who never played, and on a subconscious level they have to identify more with a guy who came from an upper-middle class background, has interests beyond basketball, and can hold his own in a very black world. And they have an equally hard time identifying or being able to empathize with guys who came from disadvantaged backgrounds, have tats or ethnic hairstyles, and have a much different life experience than they did (stars dating back to their junior-high days because of athletic skill), whereas a guy like Nash was very much a late bloomer when it came to basketball and barely got a D-1 scholarship
I didn't call those guys racists and I'm not calling you racist. I just think people are influenced to some degree by what is familiar or unfamiliar to them. I think a lot of white people are very easily able to associate tats, cornrows and bling with thuggery, and have an equally hard time calling out bad behavior when it comes in a familiar white package. Stereotypes are useful only to a very limited degree.
was what Nash did worse than what Josh Howard did to Brad Miller?
and don't say "apples and oranges" because it isn't.
Which is worse, going after an opposing player in defense of a teammate or knowingly throwing a kick right into someone's ankle while he's in midair?
2 games for Nash. anything less is bull .
oh snap! little Nash just ed every Suns fan over! Now I'd like to see a Suns fan try and call the Spurs dirty with a straight face after what Nash just didThis is awesome!
Nash knew what he did the moment he did it... He raised his hand up right after the play.
Isn't basing a decision about someone based on their race, being racist?I didn't call those guys racists and I'm not calling you racist. I just think people are influenced to some degree by what is familiar or unfamiliar to them. I think a lot of white people are very easily able to associate tats, cornrows and bling with thuggery, and have an equally hard time calling out bad behavior when it comes in a familiar white package. Stereotypes are useful only to a very limited degree.
If I see a black guy in Fubu gear, with his hat on sideways and tons of jewelry on the news because he is being arrested and I say "typical black guy"...that would be very racist and wrong. But if they say "he was caught beating his girlfriend and stealing her car" and I say "typical thug" that has nothing to do with him being black, it has to do with him being a dumbass. Race never enters into the picture.
I am not saying it doesn't exist, because sadly even in 2007, racism exists. My point is that someone of one race can form an opinion of someone of another without race being involved.
Like I said in my first post on this subject, he learned from a pro these past playoffs! I don't approve, but I guess he probably thought he would try out some of the tactics that Bowen uses.oh snap! little Nash just ed every Suns fan over! Now I'd like to see a Suns fan try and call the Spurs dirty with a straight face after what Nash just did
oh give me a ing break! You and I both know that bull isn't going to fly! What your boy just did was ed up, and your sorry ass attempt to lay the blame on Bowen is pathetically transparent. Face it, your precious Suns are dirty too now, you're out of excuses sunshineLike I said in my first post on this subject, he learned from a pro these past playoffs! I don't approve, but I guess he probably thought he would try out some of the tactics that Bowen uses.
Hey Findog, why so much hate for Nash and the Suns of late? You seem to be going over the top on the subject.
I never had any excuses "Sunshine".
I really like Nash as a person, but my hate is for the Suns trolls here, and the breathless hype bestowed on them by writers who haven't written an original thing in 3 years. Yes, they play an exciting brand of uptempo basketball, but the narrative really hasn't changed all that much since the fall of 2004. Let's move on please.
If you want to move on then quit responding to the trolls.
No, I think it's being prejudiced, and that's not necessarily malignant. I took a road trip to California a few years ago, and my friends and I pulled into a Bank of America ATM at 2 in the morning in Oakland. We didn't have money for the toll to cross the bridge. A low-rider car pulled in behind us, black guys wearing FUBU and blasting hip-hop. Was it prejudiced for us to decide to stay in the car and keep on driving? Yes, but under the cir stances, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.Isn't basing a decision about someone based on their race, being racist?
I agree people can make judgments independent of race, but when it comes to perceptions of Steve Nash, my gut instincts tell me this isn't what is happening.
I'm not denying , but I'm not the one who's been throwing temper tantrums all over the web calling for asteriks and , and making accusations of dirty play. If I recall, those were Suns fans... yes, I remember now.I never had any excuses "Sunshine".
I just find it hilarious that your only excuse for having lost last season just evaporated. Your little Suns don't seem to have a problem playing dirty now do they? and not only that, but your MAIN STAR!
Point is, from now on, when we slap your sorry ass come playoff time, you won't be able to pull out the dirty card anymore. That just made my season
just as likely, he picked it up from his teammate Mr. Bell. it was hysterical last year watching fans/players of a team that have Raja have the audacity to call another team/player dirty.As I said in my first post, maybe Nash learned something from Bowen in the playoffs. It is not like I approve of it by anyone. Also, Bowen has had quite a few malicious moves as you put it, in his career. Actually if you look at the clip from the playoffs concerning Amare and Bowen, you will see Bowen looking down at Amares ankle and kicking at it. I don't approve of any dirty plays including Jason Terry's punch at Finely's balls.
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