'We're Winning The War' Spin In High Mode

[Yonivore]

Where's the proof? Petraeus can say reindeer fly out of his ass....but I wanna see the covered reindeer....

...Oh, that's right...there is none.....

You're unbelievable sometimes. ing IRGC and Quds forces have been captured, killed, and identified all over Iraq the past few years.

[Yonivore]

..the 911 plotters are in caves in Pakistan with their satellite dishes, phones and internet access most likely posting on liberal web-sites and plotting their next great caper...

Let's hope they fire up their satellite dishes and phones...let's hope.

[boutons_]

The Exec, neo- s, Fox news, and right-wingnut choir are all clamoring for hitting Iran, with exactly the same bull and lies they used to get into Iraq, covering their real agenda of Iranian oil.

Here's a Fox asshole, whose ass never has been and never will be in a foxhole:

http://digg.com/politics/Fox_Calls_f...ings_in_Tehran

[Nbadan]

You're unbelievable sometimes. ing IRGC and Quds forces have been captured, killed, and identified all over Iraq the past few years.

The Quds, like Hamas and Hezbollah, aren't just fighting en ies...they are also political, economic and social en ies...many times friendly with the U.S....

[Nbadan]

Let's hope they fire up their satellite dishes and phones...let's hope.

You seriously believe Bin Laden is in a cave somewhere...

[Yonivore]

You seriously believe Bin Laden is in a cave somewhere...

I think he's dead. And, I think he's been that way since on or about December 17, 2001.

[Nbadan]

I think he's dead. And, I think he's been that way since on or about December 17, 2001.

Then who's making the bin Laden tapes?

[Yonivore]

Then who's making the bin Laden tapes?

I have no idea...I know I'm not.

[Nbadan]

Bush's Favorite Lie
By Robert Parry
November 9, 2007

When cataloging George W. Bush’s lies – even if you stick just to his fabrications about the Iraq War and the “war on terror” – there are so many to choose from, it’s hard to pick a favorite.

There’s the one about how before Sept. 11, 2001, Americans thought that “oceans protected us” – although perhaps not from Soviet intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads, which during the Cold War had school children hiding under desks and homeowners buying bomb shelters.

After taking office in January 2001, Bush was so confident about the protective oceans that he pushed aggressively for a "Star Wars" missile defense system.

Or there’s Bush’s oft-repeated claim that al-Qaeda terrorists are poised to dominate the world through a caliphate “stretching from Spain to Indonesia,” though in reality they are a bunch of crazed misfits forcibly exiled from their own countries and now living in caves along the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Bush also insists that Americans must heed what Osama bin Laden says, like when this homicidal maniac supposedly calls Iraq the “central front” in the “war on terror,” the American people must keep troops there indefinitely.

But it’s never explained why it makes sense for the United States to let bin Laden’s public declarations shape Washington’s policies.

There’s a chance, you see, that bin Laden is either completely nuts or perhaps clever enough to bait Bush into taking actions that actually help al-Qaeda, like getting the United States bogged down in Iraq, alienating the Muslim world and diverting military resources away from where bin Laden is hiding.

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[Nbadan]

BUSH: I don’t — you know, “quagmire” is an interesting word. If you lived in Iraq and had lived under a tyranny, you’d be saying, god, I love freedom — because that’s what’s happened. And there are killers and radicals and murderers who kill the innocent to stop the advance of freedom. But freedom is happening in Iraq. And we’re making progress.

- Dubya today....

[Nbadan]

We've tripled Saddam's decades old body count in just 4 short years.....

The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US invasion.

This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word.

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[xrayzebra]

We've tripled Saddam's decades old body count in just 4 short years.....





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Yes dan we know. The United States is the
bad boy in all of this. Just what is your agenda?
Tell us what you want. I have no problem with
telling you how I feel. But you never tell us what
your thoughts are, other than the U.S. is wrong
all the time.

[Nbadan]

Yes dan we know. The United States is the
bad boy in all of this. Just what is your agenda?
Tell us what you want. I have no problem with
telling you how I feel. But you never tell us what
your thoughts are, other than the U.S. is wrong
all the time.

See, Ray....what you don't understand is that we are in a defacto-war WW3 that has nothing to do with terra....it's a war of money....the Chinese know that they can never defeat us militarily.....but they control $1 trillion dollars of our debt, enough to send our economy into a serious tailspin if they so choose...in other words, they have us by the balls....so they build dangerous products utilizing their slave labor. killing median-paying manufacturing jobs in the U.S. in the process, ship them to the U.S. at basement bargain prices and let the consumer deal with the after-math.....who cares as long as they get $$ and the American consumer borrowers more Chinese money in the process.....tightening their grip on our balls.....

[101A]

What is China's endgame?

What are they trying to accomplish?

[xrayzebra]

See, Ray....what you don't understand is that we are in a defacto-war WW3 that has nothing to do with terra....it's a war of money....the Chinese know that they can never defeat us militarily.....but they control $1 trillion dollars of our debt, enough to send our economy into a serious tailspin if they so choose...in other words, they have us by the balls....so they build dangerous products utilizing their slave labor. killing median-paying manufacturing jobs in the U.S. in the process, ship them to the U.S. at basement bargain prices and let the consumer deal with the after-math.....who cares as long as they get $$ and the American consumer borrowers more Chinese money in the process.....tightening their grip on our balls.....

So much asking you for a serious answer. It
would be nice if we knew where you were coming
from. But never mind. I should have know I
was asking too much.

[Nbadan]

.....even with Dubya's record subsidies to the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies, without the added costs of the war in Iraq we would have been in surplus...Meanwhile, none of that Iraqi oil is getting to the American consumer, most is sold in the open market to guess who? China, Indonesia, and India...

[101A]

.....even with Dubya's record subsidies to the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies, without the added costs of the war in Iraq we would have been in surplus...Meanwhile, none of that Iraqi oil is getting to the American consumer, most is sold in the open market to guess who? China, Indonesia, and India...

At the same price other people's oil is sold to us.

What's your point?

Again, what is China going to accomplish having us by the short hairs?

[xrayzebra]

.....even with Dubya's record subsidies to the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies, without the added costs of the war in Iraq we would have been in surplus...Meanwhile, none of that Iraqi oil is getting to the American consumer, most is sold in the open market to guess who? China, Indonesia, and India...

And so? You mean Bush's oil bunch aren't getting
their share? That damn Chenney.

Dan we don't need their oil if we could only drill
where the Cubans and China are. Off the coast
of Florida. Or if the no backbone pols would
allow drilling off the coast of Calif. and in Alaska.

But don't mention that.

[Nbadan]

What is China's endgame?

What are they trying to accomplish?

Destroy America's ability to act militarily by destroying it from inside...it takes a lot of money to run wars....right now, China is financing our misadventure into Iraq, but someday they will call that note on our children....

[Nbadan]

At the same price other people's oil is sold to us.

What's your point?

Again, what is China going to accomplish having us by the short hairs?

China can absorb high oil prices because they don't pay their people ....meanwhile, Americans have to put higher gas prices on plastic...guess where the money to finance that debt is coming from?

[xrayzebra]

Destroy America's ability to act militarily by destroying it from inside...it takes a lot of money to run wars....right now, China is financing our misadventure into Iraq, but someday they will call that note on our children....

Well from some of your post you subscribe to this
strategy. Destroy the U.S.

[Nbadan]

Well from some of your post you subscribe to this
strategy. Destroy the U.S.

It's a matter of perception I guess Ray...

[xrayzebra]

It's a matter of perception I guess Ray...

Yeah, it is. But somehow I don't feel alone in this
perception.

[101A]

Destroy America's ability to act militarily by destroying it from inside...it takes a lot of money to run wars....right now, China is financing our misadventure into Iraq, but someday they will call that note on our children....

So, they will eventually invade?

We have how many warheads again?

Our military, as it is, is VERY expensive, but one we would need to maintain to make sure nobody s with us wouldn't be so much.

I don't think they are trying to destroy us financially to weaken us militarily.

[Nbadan]

Yeah, it is. But somehow I don't feel alone in this
perception.

that's most likely because I have been conveniently categorized as a socialist by some.....although nothing could be further from the truth.......