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I guess we will find in December if the Suns learn from the debacle in Game 4 when they travel to San Antonio. I am sure the crowd will be into the game.
This is old news but I have to disagree with you on one thing. Horry being suspended for 2 games does not hurt the Spurs as much as Stoudemire and Diaw being suspended for 1 game. Thats a tradeoff the Spurs would take every time. Even Coach Popovich admitted as much after Game 5.
I guess we will find in December if the Suns learn from the debacle in Game 4 when they travel to San Antonio. I am sure the crowd will be into the game.
Why are we still talking about this? Nothing is going to change. A rule that has ALWAYS been enforced to impose suspensions (because the rule mandates suspensions) was enforced in that fashion. The league didn't treat the Suns unfairly -- it simply refused to make an exception for them.
I've yet to hear any Suns fan make a compelling argument for why an exception was somehow warranted for their team.
Moreover, as Stern has said repeatedly, those without a dog in the fight who are resources available for considering the consequences of a ruling (members of the Compe ion Committee, including Basketball Hall of Famers) said that the ruling was correct.
And the rule, despite red-hot protests about its enforcement from Phoenix, was revisited and remained unchanged.
This is a gigantic non-story, other than the demonstrable refusal of Suns fans to quit whining and let go.
Yes you have, you just choose to ignore it.
First of all, there wasn't an altercation when Amare and Diaw left the bench. They were just walking over towards Nash after a hard foul when Bell and Horry went at it (and then they immediately stopped).
No different than when Duncan and Bowen walked onto the court when Elson was undercut by James Jones. They were just making sure their teammate was ok just like Amare and Diaw were.
It was egotistical for Stern to the rule the way that he did. Not to mention it was stupid.
Btw - I know Spurs fans (like yourself) are so sick of hearing about this and wish it would just "go away", but thats not our problem. Blame Horry. He's the one who started all of this and he's the reason why your team gets an asterisk.
So you all better get used to it because its never gonna "go away".
Last edited by da_suns_fan__; 11-09-2007 at 01:10 PM.
given by whom?and he's the reason why your team gets an asterisk.
In your opinion...doesn't make it true. The NBA saw it differently. Are you saying that you are better than they are at interpreting their rules?First of all, there wasn't an altercation
there is your altercation.when Bell and Horry went at it
FWD is a Spur? Cool!
Dude, I thought we were friends...why didn't you tell me?
Last edited by samikeyp; 11-09-2007 at 01:11 PM.
Nice edit on the whole "Spurs/Spurs fans" thing.
I had figured my Adonis-like physique had been a dead give-away. No need to tell you the obvious, I figured.
Ahh...my bad.
Nice job going incognito!
Bell and Horry going at it isn't an altercation? If that's not an altercation, then I guess we have to wait for punches to be thrown for there to be an altercation.
The difference, of course, is that there wasn't any pushing and shoving in close quarters when Elson and Jones got tangled up. Elson didn't go seek out Jones to mix things up and Jones didn't go seek out Elson. Bell sought out Horry and the two of them did mix things up -- that alone torpedoes your 967th unavailing attempt to link Jones/Elson and Horry/Nash/Bell.
Again, when you can make a compelling argument for making a first-time exception for the Phoenix Suns, I'll listen. Until then, it's whining.
It was egotistical for Stern to enforce that rule in precisely the same fashion that it's always been enforced? That's an interesting spin on egotism. I would have thought that choosing to make an exception that has never before been made would be an egotistical move. The rule compels a suspension for anyone who violates it. Two guys violated it. The rule says they're suspended. Stern just enforced the rule as written.
Horry's not the one who brings this up every week.
I got another chance last week to celebrate my team's most recent championship -- the one that followed the 2007 playoffs. For the life of me, I didn't see an asterisk anywhere. None on the trophy; none on the rings; none on the banner.
You might believe yourself the asterisk police, but the bling that goes with winning says your badge is tin foil wrapped around a cardboard cutout that your mother made for you. Enjoy wielding your imaginary powers.
Obviously. Since we'll hear you whining about 2007 for as long as you're here.
What is, exactly, your fascination with the Spurs anyway?
The fact of the matter is that David Stern, for better or worse, is picking and choosing what the NBA chooses to enforce regarding rules. He leaves no wiggle room when interpreting the Suns suspension in last years playoffs however he wiggles out of giving any punishment for the refs that have been gambling, which is clearly against the rules, stating that the rule needs to be re-looked at. Seems to me he can't have it both ways.....literally interpreting one rule while giving slack on another rule, especially when one is dealing with the intergrity of the game (officials gambling). Obviously Stern doesn't want to draw any more attention to the PR nightmare this potentially represents.
Of course it is...but Amare and Diaw left the bench before this happened. They were walking to Nash after seeing him the table so hard. An altercation broke out when they were walking towards him and they realized this and went back to the bench.
Again, the fact that Amare and Diaw were walking towards Nash isn't the same as leaving the bench during an altercation.
Stern saw an opportunity to show how off his administrative powers and he made a stupid decision. This is where the NATIONAL outrage (not just Suns fans people) comes from. This was not a case of the rule being broken. Stern actually made his own interpretation of what happened and now he has to live with it.
btw - Surprise surprise that San Antonio fans don't want to admit that there's an asterisk or that their win was tainted. But even you Texans have to admit that there has never been a "champion" questioned or scrutinized as much as the Spurs have been the past few months. Barry Bonds says his record doesnt deserve an asterisk, but its there. People will always bring up that he was on juice when they talk about his home runs just like people will always bring up the suspensions when they talk about the Spurs winning in 2007.
Don't blame me. Blame Horry.
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT SPURS FANS? DID YOU THINK EVERYONE WOULD JUST FORGET?
Please count how many "Suns" threads there are in this forum and get back to me. We'll continue this discussion then.
again...placed by whom?btw - Surprise surprise that San Antonio fans don't want to admit that there's an asterisk
The Suns' assistant coaches didn't do their jobs. Iavaroni read too many of his press clippings, thought he was already a head coach and didn't make sure the players stayed near the bench.
I don't see any asterisk on the NBA site.btw - Surprise surprise that San Antonio fans don't want to admit that there's an asterisk
In all my years of watching sports I've never seen a fanbase that feels more en led to something their team hasn't earned than the Ph*enix fans. I think it stems from the coach who clearly has an inferiority complex.
Shouldn't the Suns get one too?
*couldn't win either games 1,3 or 6 at full strength.
What I don't get is the constant whining over how that fatally screwed them over. It doesn't automatically follow that having those players available for G5 decisively swings the series. They had to win a game in San Antonio to avoid elimination and they couldn't do it. The Mavs were in the same position and pulled it out. HCA is nice to have, but if you're a le team, it's not necessary. If the Suns were a championship-caliber team, they would've won G6 when the pressure was on. Only reason they pulled out G4 was bc Pop left Duncan on the bench way too long with that fifth foul. That one was played at the Spurs preferred pace for 44 minutes.
And here I thought that you believed that nobody cares about the Spurs. People would remember that only if they cared, one would think. I don't see there being any sort of wide-spread concern about the propriety of the Spurs' 4th le -- no more than the sanctimonious b.s. that has followed every other le -- but if you insist that it's there, it's then pretty hard to make an argument that nobody cares about the Spurs.
Tin star, buddy.
What's that at the bottom of the Spurs logo? Looks like an asterisk to me. SELF PWNAGE!!1!
Wow.
The sad thing is this is all still consuming the out of the Suns, and you know this because Nash is still whining about it too. D'Antoni is playing their new, supposedly great, and definitely injury prone acquisition 40 a night in NOVEMBER. I really just feel pity for the Suns team and some fans that this is so deep in their heads that it's never coming out. The Spurs haven't just beaten this team over and over and over again the last several years, they've actually scarred their star player and some of their fans for life!
Why in the world these Suns' people would want to keep reliving their own failure over and over again is beyond me. I guess they like punishing themselves.
It's a Star of David -- DAVID STERN!
What's that at the bottom of the Spurs logo? Looks like an asterisk to me. SELF PWNAGE!!1!
You are absolutely right on that. The more I look at the replays of that "hip check" on you tube the more I even wonder how the heck it became such a big issue? Nash clearly exagerated by flopping his hands dramtically on the floor behind him like that. And what about Raja Bell further instigating the whole entire thing by going over Horry with fists, not just trash talk? The whole thing was really very minor looking back but was blown out of proportion by the Suns....and sparked by D Antoni and his post game speeches of "well its physical game...but only their half, now we gotta make it on our half." What a DA.
Damn you Chump, now everyone in my office is looking at me for laughing that loud.
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