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    More evidence that RG thinks he's above the law,
    etc. etc. etc...

    How do you expect anyone to take you serious? Take out the bull , and Rudy is not like the liberals media portrays him. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see him win the republican nomination, but this is absurd. Take a bit of serious thought... can you do that?

    The liberals do not want RG to win the nomination, because he is almost an automatic win against any democrat. He is republican, and will gain most the republican and conservative vote, even though we would prefer a Romney or Tancredo, etc. He will pull most the middle, for a sure win against any democrat, and the liberal media knows it! They will do anything to discredit him!

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    "take you serious"

    I don't GAF who/if anybody takes me seriously, esp not a knee-jerk, check-list-conservative, rut-brained, self-congratualting jerkoff as yourself.

    RG has done plenty to discredit himself, and he's being outed by his own NYFD, the indictements against Kerik, etc, etc.

    Blaming RG's sleaze and abuses on "liberals" is typical WC bull . Who's waiting on Faux to expose RG or other Repugs?

    He's a nasty mother er with fat, ugly legs who is totally unelectable.

    Go ahead, make my day, punk. Nominate RG. I'm "feelin' lucky".
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    Kristol: Giuliani nomination 'problematic' in scandal's wake

    12/02/2007 @ 10:14 am
    Filed by David Edwards and Greg Wasserstrom

    Conservatives agree: this week's scandal about whether or not Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani misused city funds while Mayor of New York has taken a serious toll on his candidacy. Appearing on the program Fox News Sunday, Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes, both of the conservative Weekly Standard, suggested the Giuliani campaign is in trouble.
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    "Bill, I've come to the conclusion that any story that begins 'presidential candidate' and 'girlfriend are not good," host Chris Matthews said to his panelist.

    "No, and when the follow-up story in the New York press is that, in fact, New York City police chauffeured around Judith Nathan - she was Rudy Giuliani's girlfriend or mistress but certainly not yet married to him in 2000 or 2001 - that's not good either. It was a very tough week for Giuliani. I think his path to the nomination is very problematic," Kristol told Wallace. Kristol also cited Rudy's recent decline in Iowa, New Hampshire and National polls - all before the story of alleged misuse of city funds broke on Thursday.

    (RG also had NYPD walk his girlfriend's dog. And you conservatives about "en lements"! )

    Weekly Standard executive editor and regular Fox commentator Fred Barnes agreed that Giuliani should be worried about his showing in the early primaries, now only a month away, due to concerns Republican voters may have about his character.

    "All this book-keeping stuff aside, this flap right now is all about having an extra-marital affair fairly recently," Barnes said. "In Rudy Giuliani's case, I think that's what comes through to people and not all the questions about an American Express card and all that stuff. It's about that affair."

    "Anything that reminds people of his kind of checkered personal past: it's not good for him," said Mara Liasson of National Public Radio, but also suggested that the scandal would not be of such concern to the candidate had he responded too it quickly.

    http://rawstory.com//printstory.php?story=8439

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    I agree, WC, RG's disasters are all the fault of the "liberals"

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    "take you serious"

    I don't GAF who/if anybody takes me seriously, esp not a knee-jerk, check-list-conservative, rut-brained, self-congratualting jerkoff as yourself.

    RG has done plenty to discredit himself, and he's being outed by his own NYFD, the indictements against Kerik, etc, etc.

    Blaming RG's sleaze and abuses on "liberals" is typical WC bull . Who's waiting on Faux to expose RG or other Repugs?

    He's a nasty mother er with fat, ugly legs who is totally unelectable.

    Go ahead, make my day, punk. Nominate RG. I'm "feelin' lucky".
    No doubt about it. If boutons had a brain he would
    take it out and play with it. Such a tough guy boutons
    is. Make my day, indeed.

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    Andrew Sullivan sarcasm on RG

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/1...-for-giuliani/

    I wonder if Andy has had some gay old fun with Larry Craig?

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    Sooooooo.....

    Ummmmm......

    I must have missed the part where everyone agreed that a guy who dresses in drag on a regular basis isnt exactly Presidential material, yeah?

    Right? I mean, cmon! The dude is in a ing dress!

    Soooo, yeah.

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    Sooooooo.....

    Ummmmm......

    I must have missed the part where everyone agreed that a guy who dresses in drag on a regular basis isnt exactly Presidential material, yeah?
    Well, I never heard it was on a regular basis. You know what? I don’t care. I don’t give a damn about his personal life. Must be us conservatives who understand what tolerance is. I thought we were suppose to be tolerant to alternative lifestyles? Aren't we?

    I only care about how he manages in an executive capacity. He has a pretty damn good record on that account! As for the crybabies under him, yes. He can be a bully, but he got things done, and I haven't seen complaints that are not easily dismissed.

    As for the extra security for the girlfriend. OK, so he has slipped in the personal ethics departments. Do you liberals really care? Remember B.J. Clinton? His interns?

    If the first lady in the mayors life gets protection, then his girlfriend should too. Plain and simple. Do I like it? No. Anyone hear about equality? Doesn’t the left want to elevate significant others to the legal status of marriage?

    Will you lefties stop being so damn hypocritical?

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    Bill Clinton cheats on his wife, and the left says "it's his personal life, who cares?" Rudy Giuliani cheats on his wife, and now that he might be the Republican nominee the right is saying "it's his personal life, who cares?"

    If a man will cheat on his wife then you can be damn sure that he will lie to you. Giuliani, like Bill Clinton, is just a lying piece of trash.

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    "I don’t give a damn about his personal life"

    Married RG ing his g/f ? I don't give a damn, either.

    RG abuses public resources for the benefit of his g/f and hides it by sending the bills to obscure, inappropriate NYC departments?

    RG promoting Kerik for DHS, now under federal indictment?

    RG putting a security center in a already-attacked terrorist target?
    etc, etc.

    It's not his irrelevant personal life that bothers me. It's his public life.

    But I do question the personal judgment of 50+ year-old-man with national political ambitions whose idea of a good time is serial transves ism (and letting it be photographed), as well as rooming with 2 gays, of all the places a man of his wealth could have roomed. Another great move to endear himself with red-state/"Christian" phobes.

    RG's campaign is finished, completely self-inflicted.

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    Well, I never heard it was on a regular basis. You know what? I don’t care. I don’t give a damn about his personal life. Must be us conservatives who understand what tolerance is. I thought we were suppose to be tolerant to alternative lifestyles? Aren't we?

    I only care about how he manages in an executive capacity. He has a pretty damn good record on that account! As for the crybabies under him, yes. He can be a bully, but he got things done, and I haven't seen complaints that are not easily dismissed.

    As for the extra security for the girlfriend. OK, so he has slipped in the personal ethics departments. Do you liberals really care? Remember B.J. Clinton? His interns?

    If the first lady in the mayors life gets protection, then his girlfriend should too. Plain and simple. Do I like it? No. Anyone hear about equality? Doesn’t the left want to elevate significant others to the legal status of marriage?

    Will you lefties stop being so damn hypocritical?
    When you find the photo of Clinton in a dress, call me.

    Until then, I wont be voting for some guy who has had a 30 year iden y crisis. Will Guliani be the first woman President after his transgender surgery?

    Im sure that'll go over real well in the rest of the world. "US Idiots Elect Cross-Dressing phobe"

    As if we arent thought of as dumb enough already, morons just want to make it worse. For chrissakes, man.

    Clinton was getting high-fives for his BJ. Guliani gets a weird stare.

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    Another lie from RG:

    Despite historical records, Giuliani implies hostages' release was all due to Reagan

    Tying his position on how to deal with "these Islamic terrorists we're facing" to the legacy of former president -- and Republican icon -- Ronald Reagan, GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani implies in a TV ad released today that it took Reagan just "one hour" to win the release of Americans held hostage by Iran for 444 days from 1979-1981.

    "The one hour in which they released them was the one hour in which Ronald Reagan was taking the oath of office as president of the United States," Giuliani says. "The best way you deal with dictators, the best way you deal with tyrants and terrorists, you stand up to them. You don't back down."

    While the hostages were released as Reagan was taking the oath of office on Jan. 20. 1981, Giuliani does not say that the Algiers Accord that ended the hostage crisis was negotiated by the outgoing Carter administration and had been agreed to the day before -- Jan. 19, 1981 -- as records posted at the State Department's website (here and here, for example) and elsewhere confirm.

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics...e-histori.html

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    When you find the photo of Clinton in a dress, call me.
    I don't recall ever seeing senator Clinton in a dress. Have you?

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    Boutons, you can say what you want about the hostage release, but I was 20 at the time. I clearly recall Iran gave in and negotiated AFTER president Reagan won the November 1980 elections. Consensus of the time agrees they would have still been hostages if Reagan lost!

    They were afraid of Ronny Ray-Gun, but overthrew the previous government under Carter's watch.

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    Boutons, you can say what you want about the hostage release, but I was 20 at the time. I clearly recall Iran gave in and negotiated AFTER president Reagan won the November 1980 elections. Consensus of the time agrees they would have still been hostages if Reagan lost!

    They were afraid of Ronny Ray-Gun, but overthrew the previous government under Carter's watch.
    Does Iran-contra ring a bell? Republican operatives had already undermined Carter - a felony if it had been exposed by the M$M - with the hostage crisis....it's no coincidence that as soon as Reagan won, the hostages were released, the Iranians didn't fear reagan, they were looking out for their own best interests, and their bests interests were rubbing the back of the new U.s. administration....

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    "Ronny Ray-Gun"

    yeah, St Ronnie the Alzheimer's President was one tough ... actor. Folded up and hauled ass out of Lebanon, and then was such a macho mother er beating up on ... Granada!

    Ronnie also agreed NOT to retaliate against Iran after the hostages were released. I would have supported direct US retaliation against Iran, in addition to Ronnie supporting Saddam against Iran.

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    I don't recall ever seeing senator Clinton in a dress. Have you?


    Boo-yah!

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    How's this for a over-inflated sense of ego?...

    Giuliani's Security Measures

    Recent revelations about the creative accounting being used in New York City to allocate the cost of the security details for then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani's visits to the Hamptons with his companion Judith Nathan have served as a reminder that Giuliani's messy personal situation late in his mayoral tenure had a cost for New York taxpayers. After Politico.com reported the accounting irregularities, subsequent reports have noted that the city was providing security to Nathan and her family and friends at the same time as it was also providing security to Donna Hanover, Giuliani's estranged wife.

    But Giuliani's concern for Nathan's security should not come as a surprise to anyone. In his best-selling 2002 memoir "Leadership," Giuliani recounts that one of his main concerns on Sept. 11, 2001 was that the terrorists who attacked the Twin Towers and Pentagon might also be coming after Nathan. He describes his priorities after he and his top advisers finally managed to find a site, a firehouse, to serve as a new command center after fleeing the one at the World Trade Center. He and his team called city hospitals to make sure they were ready for the injured. Then they made sure other possible targets such as the Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building and Stock Exchange were under extra guard. Then, he writes, he called his "loved ones" -- first Hanover, to tell her he had sent extra security to evacuate Gracie Mansion, the mayoral residence, and then Nathan, both to reassure her that he was okay and to check on her security.
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    Giuliani wants you to have a fruitcake...


    You can't make this up....

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    i dont think he gives a what ppl think...



    his pension > your super = ftl

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    Apparently, your right....

    Rudy Floats Cheney For Vice President Again


    In an event in New Hampshire last night, Rudy Giuliani suggested that — if he were to be elected president — he would like to choose someone like Cheney to be his Vice President. The AP reports:

    Would a Rudy Giuliani administration be populated with a Cabinet of Republican rivals and a powerful, all-knowing vice president like Cheney? Possibly, according to musings Giuliani shared in answers to questions from New Hampshire voters yesterday in Hooksett.

    Giuliani pivoted from a question about potential picks for secretary of state to this: “Let me answer with the question of what you would look for in a vice president first - again without any presumption that I’m going to be the nominee.”

    In an answer that mentioned Cheney more than once, Giuliani said, “A vice president has to be a partner in the administration. The vice president has to know everything that’s going on, just in case the vice president has to step in at a moment’s notice,” he said. He added that during a conversation with Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, he felt the vice president “had a sense that he knew what he was doing.”


    This isn’t the first time Giuliani has floated Cheney for Vice President. In a radio interview in November, Giuliani cited Cheney as “a good example of picking someone who is qualified to be president of the United States.” Fortunately, Cheney has indicated he will not serve in a future administration. “I’m going to serve this president for the next four years, and then I’m out of here,” Cheney told Fox News’ Chris Wallace. “This is my last tour.”

    Cheney will leave office with a dark “cloud” hanging over him, in the words of former special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. Over 177,000 individuals have signed an active pe ion to impeach the Vice President, whose approval ratings hover near 30 percent.

    Last year, the Washington Post reported there was a “GOP plan to oust Cheney,” who was “viewed as toxic” by many in his party and had “the potential to drag down” candidates up for election. Instead, the right-wing has openly embraced the Vice President and aggressively pushed him to run for president.
    Think Progress

    Rudy is counting on the backing of a guy with an even lower approval rating than congress to save Iowa and N.H....what a joke.....

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