I would hope Spurs fans are over the whole 0.4 thing. After 2 championships to "sooth the pain" 0.4 should only be a distant memory. I know it is for me
I would rather see the Spurs 4-0 in the Finals than 4-1. I'm not so sure anyone was beating the Pistons that year. The Pacers played Detroit as well as humanly possible, and Indy still couldn't handle the Pistons. Lakers' apologists can whine about Malone all they want; Malone doesn't represent the difference in those blowouts in the 2004 Finals. It was "their year," I guess.
That was a tough loss for me, too. I thought it was over after TD hit his shot but that's BB. I felt that the clock started late but what's done is done. Anyway that shot will never happen again. Now it's illegal. But that dosen't take away the disappointment I felt at the time. Though the Pistons were really rolling at the time and I think it would have been difficult to beat them that year.
Turkoglu choked big time. One of the most inconsistent players I've ever seen.
I'm much more affected by Manu's stupid foul of 2006 than the 0.4 crap. To think that if Manu didn't have that brain fart, we would have won that series right then and there, not to mention probably kicked Miami's ass in the finals. Painful I tell you!
TD hit two crucial shots down the stretch. Of course he had the one over Shaq. But how about that double clutch banker a few minutes before that shot.
And Robert Horry bricked a wide open three pointer down the stretch.
Crazy game and series....and I still believe if Malone was healthy we would have at lesat went 7 games with the Pistons. Anyways, that's the past and it's great to hear about all of the posters thoughts and lamenttions regarding the infamous shot. Still, the Lakers are rebuilding and still a shadow of themselves....
Coming from the default champs. What was the head to head? That's right, Lakers win by a mile. Ego had a lot to do with our demise not the Spurs beating us. Shaq/Kobe Lakers own the Tim Duncan Spurs and that's the way it will go down in history.
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Why is Rasho boxing out? If I were Rasho I would have gotten on Tim Duncan's shoulders and blocked that .
3 years ago you are right - but it doesn't matter now.
4 (or 5 or 6) - 3 is the final scoreboard. History won't remember anything much more than that, and the Spurs have scoreboard.
Will history remember that Wallace's Pistons "owned" the Shaq/Kobe Lakers? No. Only Piston fans will long remember that.
Only les = Long Memory.
Spurs = Scoreboard
MY EYES!!!
flame bait. you should have counted the minneaoplis years too.
Shaq and Kobe won 3 of 5 playoff series against Duncan's Spurs -- that means that Duncan won 2 of 5; I'd hardly say that a difference of 1 in series wins is "domination" or "ownership."
Each team swept the other and each won a 6-game series. The sole difference is the Lakers' 5-game win in 2002 (with a note that David Robinson only played in 3 of those games) and that year, the Lakers won by 6, 10, 2, and 6. For a stretch of 5 playoff series between teams, that's pretty damned close.
All together, over the stretch of 1999-2004, the Lakers won 14 playoff games against the Spurs; the Spurs won 11 against the Lakers. Playing 3 games over .500 is, again, hardly domination. For instance, the Spurs were 13-10 against the Lakers during the regular season in that time frame -- I doubt you'd acknowledge that as any form of domination.
We could win the next 80 championships in a row and .4 would still kill me.
It mostly has to do with the shot Duncan hit, and the fact that had Fisher not hit the final shot, Duncan's shot could arguably be greater than even that of Horry's had the Spurs gone on to win the championship that year. (Though I'll probably still stick with Horry's shot, and yes, Duncan's shot would've been better than the memorial day miracle).
Manu's foul was incredibly frustrating, and still hurts to this day, but having your heart ripped out like the Fisher shot just left me speechless.
Game 6 really hurt too, as we were up by 10 at halftime, only to fall apart in the second half
The weird thing about the Spurs/Lakers rivalry is how few really good games there were between the teams. The 0.4 game being the obvious exception, but the overwhelming majority of the games between the two teams just weren't that compelling.
He did count the Minneapolis years. They've won five in Minneapolis, nine in LA.flame bait. you should have counted the minneaoplis years too.
Not a chance, ever.We could win the next 80 championships in a row and .4 would still kill me.
It mostly has to do with the shot Duncan hit, and the fact that had Fisher not hit the final shot, Duncan's shot could arguably be greater than even that of Horry's had the Spurs gone on to win the championship that year. (Though I'll probably still stick with Horry's shot, and yes, Duncan's shot would've been better than the memorial day miracle).
Manu's foul was incredibly frustrating, and still hurts to this day, but having your heart ripped out like the Fisher shot just left me speechless.
Game 6 really hurt too, as we were up by 10 at halftime, only to fall apart in the second half
The thing I remember most was seeing .04 and not .03 or less. .04 meant a shot could be taken and it was. Still hurts, I hope it always will.
Duncan's shot was a wild chuck up that magically went in. He didn't even know the shot went in until his teammates started mugging him.
It was also the shot that probably would've gone on to win the series.
Elliott's shot was incredible, but the reality of the situation was that it helped us sweep an inexperienced Portland team as oppose to beating them in 5 or 6.
So yeah. considering the cir stances, I'd take Duncan's shot > Elliott's
I can think of a few:
Game 2 of the 1999 WCSF went right down to the wire, with Rambis ultimately deciding against doubling Duncan on the game's crucial possession late;
Game 2 of the 2001 WCF was a tight game late -- the Lakers won it on a 13-5 run in the last half of the 4th quarter;
Games 1, 2, and 4 of the 2002 WCSF were tight games that went right to the wire (Game 1 was decided on a Kobe jumper in the last 30 seconds; Game 2 featured Antonio Daniels' fake timeout play as the Spurs eeked out a victory in LA; and Game 4 was Kobe hitting a shot in the last 10 seconds to win the game);
Game 4 of the 2003 WCSF was decided by Kobe free throws with about a minute to go and Game 5 of that series had the Lakers rallying from down 25 in the second half only to have Horry miss a three pointer with virtually no time left;
Game 5 of the 2004 WCSF is .4.
I don't know that any of those games (other than maybe .4) is remembered in most corners as one of the NBA greatest games, but there were a number of extremely close games over that stretch between two teams that were clearly the class of basketball in that time.
That shot was the biggest robbery of recent sports history. It's not possible to score like that. Kudos to Fisher who ran across the court into the locker room like a possessed person; had he stayed put, they would have probably reviewed the shot and challenged it.
Yes, and it pains me to hear this shot referred to as a "miracle." It's not possible to catch, turn and shoot in less than half a second, people seem to forget that. We was robbed.
you're right. The Shaq/Kobe lakers owned everybody... even themselves. Nobody is disputing what they did, but you people need to accept the fact that they no longer exist. Your lakers are nothing like that team and you know it
The spurs is leading the lakers
go spurs go
love the spurs
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