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Yes, Monroe is an idiot. If he didnt think of this before, his IQ must be about 45.
IMO, Duncan, Nowitzki, Gasol, and Yao are all non-exciting players in the All Star Game, so why single out Yao?
Yes, Monroe is an idiot. If he didnt think of this before, his IQ must be about 45.
I lost respect for the all star a while ago, this being decided by fans its bull . Duncan is above the all star, everybody knows what he is even if they dont like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI
owned. good acting, though.
They consider that Duncan is the center when he plays with Oberto.
That's why Duncan plays much more center than PF for them.
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I loved the offense/deffense excuse. "He was already off his chair" yeah right.
So can Duncan claim all time best center and power forward.
Whats hilarious is how Duncan claims he doesn't want to be limited by the "center" label yet plays like any other center in NBA history.
Plays with his back to the basket? Check.
Go to move is a jump hook? Check.
Can't shoot free throws? Check.
I think it would be crazy to list Dirk or KG as a center, but if Duncan isn't a center, than no one is.
Duncan may PLAY like a center, but he has, for HIS ENTIRE CAREER, been listed as a PF and with the exception of in the playoffs against certain teams spends most of the time playing at PF. This has been a very deliberate strategic move by Pop and Duncan, which has among other things, allowed him to avoid foul trouble and getting too banged up.
So, in conclusion: It was really FRICKING RE ED to change his listing on the All Star ballot after 10 years of being listed as a PF, when he hasn't changed anything in the way he plays or who he plays with.
Has Timmy said anything about any of this?
Duncan - "NBA All Star Balloting is basically re ed."
Is Dirk really a PF in your opinion? Shouldn't he be moved to guard?
Is Dirk really a PF in your opinion? Shouldn't he be moved to Guard?
has range out to 15 feet? check.
can put the ball on the floor and drive to the hoop? check.
often starts his offense from just inside the 3 point line by facing up to the hoop? check.
guards opposing 4s as much as he does 5s? check.
sometimes leads the break with his own dribble? check.
not saying that he doesn't see a good amount of time at the '5'. but if he's a true 5, what does that make Elson/Oberto? They sure as are not power forwards.
Duncan plays enough of both spots that if the Spurs (and Tim) list him as a Power Forward, that's what he should be listed as.
1) Im trying to remember the last time I saw Tim Duncan lead the break...
2) Takes his man off the dribble? From where? Five feet out?
90% of Duncans game comes from having his back to the basket in the low post. This is why he was so ineffective in the international game.
What does Duncan do that Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, etc. didn't?
Shoots a bank shot?
He's been listed as a PF?
So what? If they list Steve Nash as a center does that make him one?
The reason is money and publicity. A team with no 'all-stars' isn't going to get a lot of fan support or TV viewers and that will reduce money for the league.
Also, by giving fans a sayso in the voting, the NBA gets a lot of publicity and public relations in the towns with weak or bad franchises whose fans can be mollified by the fact that their team has some 'all-star' potential players and are motivated to support the team by voting for the players.
It all translates into M-O-N-E-Y!
That explains a lot, you don't watch much of the Spurs obviously.1) Im trying to remember the last time I saw Tim Duncan lead the break...
2) Takes his man off the dribble? From where? Five feet out?
90% of Duncans game comes from having his back to the basket in the low post. This is why he was so ineffective in the international game.
What does Duncan do that Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, etc. didn't?
Shoots a bank shot?
He's been listed as a PF?
So what? If they list Steve Nash as a center does that make him one?
Duncan will get a rebound a lead a break quite often. Not as often as he used to, but it's not an uncommon occurrence still.
And, as long as he's being guarded by another big, he'll face up and put the ball on floor a few times a game. Shaq doesn't do that, Ewing & Olajuwan never did that, Robinson rarely did that.
, in his early years, Duncan actually played some '3'.
(You still haven't addressed my question of what position Oberto/Elson play?)
I'm not denying that he shares many characteristics with great centers and certainly plays that position more than he did 5 years ago. But to say that he no longer has the game of or plays at the '4' anymore is stupid.
If you don't think Hakeem faced up his man then you must be very young and actually never saw him play. Same with Ewing. What about Alonzo?
Your logic is horrible. JUST HORRIBLE.
The Suns often play Nash and Barbosa at the same time. Does this mean that Nash is no longer a point guard?
If the Suns had Nash and Kidd and played them at the same time, would either of them fail to be a point guard?
btw - Youve got to be kidding me with the "Duncan leads the break" argument.
This might happen once or twice a SEASON!!! Did you forget who your coach is?!!!
The other great 4s in history were great from 15-20 feet (Malone, Barkley etc.)
http://www.nba.com/hotzones/
Duncan shot 1000 of his 1200 shots within 10 feet of the basket. And thats the only zone where he was effective.
Nope Duncan is definately a center and a PF in name only.
a) YES. If the Suns had Nash and Kidd, only one would play the point, the other would be an off guard. When Nash and Barbosa are on the floor at the same time, Barbosa plays the 2.
b) Malone had 20 foot range? He had a more consistent perimeter jumper than Timmy does, but their range is about equal. (And while Barkley did have a lot of makes, his percentages were pretty rough once you got outside of 15 feet.)
c) What about McHale? He's clearly one of the best prototypical 4s in history - but he played with his back to the basket significantly and didn't have range out to 20 feet.
d) You never saw Ewing (and rarely saw Hakeem) dribble between the legs, step back, and shoot a bank shot off the left foot like Tim can.
[QUOTE=K-State Spur]a) YES. If the Suns had Nash and Kidd, only one would play the point, the other would be an off guard. When Nash and Barbosa are on the floor at the same time, Barbosa plays the 2.
b) Malone had 20 foot range? He had a more consistent perimeter jumper than Timmy does, but their range is about equal. (And while Barkley did have a lot of makes, his percentages were pretty rough once you got outside of 15 feet.)
c) What about McHale? He's clearly one of the best prototypical 4s in history - but he played with his back to the basket significantly and didn't have range out to 20 feet.
d) You never saw Ewing (and rarely saw Hakeem) dribble between the legs, step back, and shoot a bank shot off the left foot like Tim can.[/QUOTE]
I think youre confusing Tim Duncan for Kevin Garnett.
Why is there internet balloting? An how come the damn Argies and Frenchies don't put Manu and TP on there 1st every year? Lazy...
IDIOTS!
because out of the 40 million Argentinians, I'd venture to guess 300,000 or less watch basketball. Of those 300,000 maybe 50,000 bother to vote, and even less bother to vote mutiple times. I know I vote only once.
Duncan is center for those people who would like the idea of seeing Dirk start at PF in the ASG.
I can't believe dasunsfan is actually making sense..and im agreeing with him
Duncan rarely shoots outside, as evidenced above, with over 80% of his attempts being inside 10 feet.
He plays with his back to the basket
Go to move is the turn around jump hook
You will RARELY see him handling the ball
All signs of a center
Not to mention the guy freakin plays most of his minutes at center
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