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Duncan will be averaging 20 and 10 til he's 40.
I do not get this conserving strength for playoffs BS. Did Bird do this? Did Jordan? Did Magic? Hakeem? , even Shaq did not do this
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I just think TD is a little lazy early in the seasons and takes his time to get his full strenth. This is why the Spurs are usually slow starters in the first half of the season. Even when TD was younger, the Spurs had a habit of falling behind til the All-Star break, then turn it up 3 notches.
Duncan will be averaging 20 and 10 til he's 40.
Duncan is clearly either over the hill or has lost his passion for the game. Trade him for Al Horford. That kid has sick hops.
You're an idiot. Why trade the MVP for Horford??? Especially when we could get Andrew Bynum instead.
it seems to me they are wanting tp to take more control of the team
I think they want him to work his way in being the "man" when duncan and manu are gone or not as good as they are.
it is great duncan is not raising a fit and encouraging tp and manu to bear more of the o load
My attention span doesn't last more than 24 hours. Sorry. I'll start a Duncan-for-Bynum trade after the Spurs play the Lakers again.
Tim doesn't just dominate when he runs into a "favorable matchup". He dominates when he needs to. But how often is that these days? He has 2 other bonafide superstars on this team. And Pop limits his minutes during the regular season.
Don't bother trying to rate Tim's performance until, say... May.
In a way, yes, i think TD starts to defer a lot more this season. Perhaps, he really feels confident about his co stars, especially Tony this season -Manu is already proven himself to be a reliable in the past. TD is a very cerebral guy, he has a strategic ways of thinking, and ego means nothing for him, so it really comes as no surprise for me.
I think when Tony can compete against teams like Dallas, Detroit or Utah, then we can say that he has arrived as the main man. TP will be effective against poor defensive teams with poor guards & no dominant bigs like Cleveland, and Atlanta yesterday who were missing all their regular PG's but to me he still hasn't proven himself against tough defensive teams who will shut down the lanes and easy penetration/layups.
hmm...i thought i saw Iverson (who was guarded mostly by Bowen) and Barbosa penetrate time and time again only to have their shots altered or blocked by Duncan. Are you saying TP was the one responsible for stopping Iverson and Barbosa? He played ok defense but come on........
I agree Parker is playing smarter this year. On nights like yesterday when he is being guarded by slow-footed scrub like Anthony Johnson, i have no problem if he takes over and torches the opposing PG for 30+ pts. to take our team to victory. I just need to see TP compete like that against Devin Harrises and Deron Willliams of the league and THEN I will feel comfortable with TD deferring to TP...until then, you still want to initiate the offense through TD, especially in the playoffs when TP won't be flying by scrubs through porous paint defense with no blockers.
This is Tim's team until he goes off into the sunset.....It starts with him, It ends with him.
It's funny how y'all spurs fans critique duncan during the part of the season that means just as much as the preseason. When it matters most Tim is there giving up 24 ppg + 13+ rebounds and 2.5+ blocks...He's the main reason why we have won 4 les. Give the man a break. It's okay to go through the motions here and there during the regular season for the betterment of him being fresh come daddy time ( playoffs). Tim is going on 32 years old. It was just 5 months ago when we was carrying us through the toughest playoff serires ( Suns, Nuggets, Jazz) Spurs in 08' back to back.
Nevermind I know!! What Tim ought to do is go all out playing 40 minutes of the 82 games that mean jack just so the cowards that say he sucks can shut the up. Yeah Pop should just call 4 down every possesion against the hawks and the rest of the scrubs in the NBA during the 82 game season, so Tim can be gimping down the court and pull a Detriot Piston when the real season starts. Having parker hold the reigns of the scoring is smart thinking by Pop and Tim for the betterment of Tim and the Spurs come playoff time
No. He isn't purposely doing anything of the sort. I'd bet that.
The man is less aggressive and its obvious in the regular season, like he has been the past 3 regular seasons. But when it has mattered in 05' 06' and 07' in the playoffs he turned it up each year avg. 27 and 14 against the suns in 05' from 20 and 10 in the regular season. In 06' he avg. 32 and 12 against the mavs in the WCSF a big improvement from 18 and 11. ( avg. 25 and 12 overall in 06). In 07' he avg. 20 and 10 in the regular season. Only to avg. 27 and 14 and 4 blocks against the Suns in the WCSF. If you have noticed the BIGGER the series the better Tim plays. I rather have him set screens more than get the 4 down call in the regular season just so when it matters again in 08 09' 10' 11' 12' Tim will be there.
Oh please, way to talk for no reason other than to be a . If you think his D over 82 games is great you need glasses or to start watching a new sport. When he makes an all defensive team, give me a call. I did not say he was bad on D but he is not great on a lot of nights, it is very much mediocre and i am not alone in that thinking. I have heard several anaylists on ESPN and NBATV say the same damn thing.
anyway, at current Tony's age. Manu has already leaded his team in Europe, and the NT of Argentina succesfully.
Outside Spurs, Tony achievements are nil. France NT doesn't show noticeable difference in achievements with or without Tony Parker (only see the results of the tournaments if you don't believe it).
IMO, any NBA scoring PG could replace Tony PArker in Spurs without major problem, however, replacing Tim or Manu would be harder, specially regarding egos. Tim and Manu are able to let a player score before them when they know that player is one dimensional or useless outside scoring, while they can contribute a lot of intangibles.
I truly don't see why many people is so sure Tony will gain Tim or Manu IQ with age, BBIQ is mostly innate, it can be improved for sure (maturity and decision making), but you can't get genius level Basketball IQ with training and aging, if you didn't have that potential from the start.
Outside Spurs, Tim achievements are nil. USA NT doesn't show noticeable difference in achievements with or without Tim Duncan(only see the results of the tournaments if you don't believe it).
Won't know until the playoffs.
Watch the games before you start talking out of your ass.
Bowen was on Anthony, Parker on Iverson most of the series.
And Barbosa had a miserable time in the series because the pace of the games emphasized half-court offense and Parker was able to stay in front of him.
Not saying that Parker's defense alone was the factor, nor that he is a top-notch defender ala Bowen. But your dismissal of his defense in those two series is just flat out wrong.
I dunno man, out of the big three, Tony will always be the scapegoat of every losses, and when he did good, the bashers will say that it means nothing since he's supposed to do that, LOL. OTOH, opponents first rule against the Spurs nowadays is STOP TONY PARKER PENETRATION INTO THE LANE, really should speak volumes about Tony bashers idiocy in this forum.
I agree with that last post. When Parker has a bad game, some fans say "I told you so", but when he has a good game they say it was the matchup.
Duncan is the man. Ginobili has been on fire this season.
To me the main thing is that Duncan DOES NOT PLAY FOR STATS. Most, if not all, players at this level are playing for two things: to win the game, and their individual stats. If it is mid 4th quarter ans they don't have enough points, they take some more shots to get close to their average. Players know that the next time thyeir contract comes up, they will be judged by their stats. With Duncan, he is playing for the win, even if he only scores 13 points.
The result is that fans who judge players by their ppg, rather than actually watching the games, think Duncan is "slipping."
The funny thing about that line of thinking is, by dismissing his performances because that is what is expected of him. they're unconsciously acknowledging that Parker is that good and that the bar is set that high for him.I dunno man, out of the big three, Tony will always be the scapegoat of every losses, and when he did good, the bashers will say that it means nothing since he's supposed to do that, LOL. OTOH, opponents first rule against the Spurs nowadays is STOP TONY PARKER PENETRATION INTO THE LANE, really should speak volumes about Tony bashers idiocy in this forum.
IMHO, there's no arguing in the 1st place that this is STILL TD's team first and foremost, but the thought that Tony is stepping up his game to make TD & Manu's job easier seems so hard to comprehend, In Tony bashers mind, he actually the achilles heel, the liability of this team that needs to be rid off.
Tony Parker never will be as good to be the man of an NBA champion team.He is a great scorer but he's not Kobe Bryant or Lebron Jamen and none of them are enought to made their team win the NBA.
Duncan is who made 4 tles for us and it's very sad that some of you forget that.
If you take out Parker of the team we will be fighting for the ring too but where we will be if you take out Duncan? Playoffs or lottery??
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