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    Truth is: Barry was never "terrible" in the past few years. He was just very inconsistent, trying to fit into the Spurs system. Sometimes he plays great; other times he bricks 4 three's and stops playing. Like many others, he feels terrible when he's not making shots because he knows the Spurs brought him in to make those. However, because of that, he often forgets to do other stuff on the court as well.

    I always thought his problem was mental. He's a great player. A player that can fit perfectly with the Spurs system. He just needs to let it fly.

    I think this is the problem with Finley now. He's still thinking too much and not playing his total game. I don't think he should just spot-up threes anymore (although it would be nice if he makes a few).

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    The three pointer and one play that Manu scored was just sick.

    I am convinced there is nothing that guy can't do.

    Hedo was impressed too.

    I saw Hedo congratulating Gino as Gino stood up and went to the free throw line.

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    Very nice win by the Spurs. The Orlando Magic are playing as well as anyone in the NBA and the Spurs beat them at their own game. The Magic play a small ball game in which they start a small point guard, a small shooting guard, two tall small forwards and a monster of a power forward. The Spurs matched down and eventually ran away with it.
    Why is it the Spurs can play small ball and "match down" with everyone but Dallas? Phoenix, no problem. Orlando, ditto.

    But the Mavs match up just kills the Spurs. It may be because Bowen has no obvious candidate to guard/shut down. Dallas has to many interchangeable roaches. Maybe it's Nowitski -- but then why not Dwight Howard or Stoudamire? Is it AJ? Does Cuban's inane smile somehow paralyze the Spurs? I'm mystified.

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    Truth is: Barry was never "terrible" in the past few years. He was just very inconsistent, trying to fit into the Spurs system.
    I alawys thought Barry was very underrated by Spurs fans. Especially when it came to wanting to trade him for the latest leaper of the week.

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    Another great analysis LJ! This part had me rolling though...

    "-Jacque Vaughn played really, really, really hard. He’s not very good at anything regarding the game of basketball,"

    Hilarious but oh so true. The guy gives 110% effort out there.

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    The thing I was most impressed with in the game was the offensive execution. Three turnovers in such a fast-paced game is ridiculously good. The Spurs executed their offense very well throughout and kept executing until the Magic cracked.
    Actually, if you look throughout NBA history, some of the fastest-paced offenses in history played turnover-free ball. To some extent, there's a correlation between holding onto the ball using a lot of shot clock and turning it over more.

    As far as the Magic are concerned, Dwight Howard is going to be beast.
    Was there a final number on his dunks? I literally think he had 10, which is more than anyone in recent memory, Amare included. This was more impressive than any of Amare's games, because the Spurs weren't conceding the points to Howard.

    Duncan’s passing was good all game and even though Howard had a monster game, I thought Duncan competed well against him.
    Duncan had a couple of touch passes to Oberto and Barry that were as good as any he's made in his career.

    This was a classic Bruce Bowen game.
    Lewis was nonexistent in the first half, Hedo was nonexistent in the second.

    Major props to Brent Barry.
    Best Spur game ever by Barry, on both ends.

    Jacque Vaughn played really, really, really hard. He’s not very good at anything regarding the game of basketball, but I thought his energy tonight was impressive – even considering he usually plays with a lot of energy. If Vaughn wasn’t fighting a bigger player trying to post him up, he was boxing out a player a foot taller than him or he was setting back screens offensively. You can question Vaughn’s skill level but you can’t question his heart.
    Watching what Vaughn does off the ball is always high entertainment value. He's Kevin Willis trapped in a small guy's body.

    As far as the benching of Matt Bonner and Francisco Elson, it was mostly due to the fact that small ball was in full effect. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pop also used it as some sort of motivational tool because neither Bonner nor Elson has played that well since the beginning of the season.
    Of course, it is now more difficult to blame sucky defense solely on Bonner and Elson, because the Spurs showed they are capable of that with neither one playing.

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    Why is it the Spurs can play small ball and "match down" with everyone but Dallas?
    Rebounding.

    When the Spurs and Mavs play and the teams go small, the Mavs' small team dominates the Spurs' small team on the boards. That's why the Mavs have outrebounded the Spurs in 12 out of the last 13 games they've played, something ridiculous like that.

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    Rebounding.

    When the Spurs and Mavs play and the teams go small, the Mavs' small team dominates the Spurs' small team on the boards. That's why the Mavs have outrebounded the Spurs in 12 out of the last 13 games they've played, something ridiculous like that.
    And Brandon Bass is going to make that continue.

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    My biggest worry on the team right now is Finley. Maybe he needs to get his eyesight checked out. When a great shooter starts having long stretches (remember last year) where his shot is off, he's on the downside of his career. A passable Finley lets us have the luxury of Manu off the bench to ignite the second team.

    I think Pop HAS to experiment with small ball lineups. Too many teams are going to this style and we have to be ready to play it. Look what happened to the Mavs in the playoffs last year.

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    My biggest worry on the team right now is Finley. Maybe he needs to get his eyesight checked out. When a great shooter starts having long stretches (remember last year) where his shot is off, he's on the downside of his career. A passable Finley lets us have the luxury of Manu off the bench to ignite the second team.
    If he shows up in march april may like he did last year, who cares?

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    I saw Hedo take Bowen to the hole and score with ease at least 4 times in the first half. Just wanted to make that correction.

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    I saw Hedo take Bowen to the hole and score with ease at least 4 times in the first half. Just wanted to make that correction.
    Bowen wasn't guarding Hedo in the first half. He was guarding Rashard Lewis. I know they look very similar

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    Rebounding.

    When the Spurs and Mavs play and the teams go small, the Mavs' small team dominates the Spurs' small team on the boards. That's why the Mavs have outrebounded the Spurs in 12 out of the last 13 games they've played, something ridiculous like that.
    Yeah I agree here, and this is were the Spurs miss somebody like Malik Rose to fight and frustrate the mavs with his hustle and his offensive rebounding. And not to mention we miss Sjax too against them. I remember once we lost those two guys the mavs started owning us.

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    great analysis timvp

    TP and Manu are playing fantastic.

    Great to see TP playing great in those back to back after last week games. I think it's safe to day he was tired but Pop needs to limit his minutes because we'll play a lot of games in the next 10 days

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    Bowen wasn't guarding Hedo in the first half. He was guarding Rashard Lewis. I know they look very similar

    Watch it again. I also saw Hedo draw a block on Bowen.....

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    Watch it again. I also saw Hedo draw a block on Bowen.....
    He might have come over to help. But Rashard Lewis was Bowen's man in the first half. Pop then switched Bowen's primary assignment at halftime to Hedo.

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    Pop switched when Hedo was becoming a prolific scorer half way through the first. Manu came in, switch was made and it continued. Second Half Bowen didn't shut down jack, the Spurs just outscored them, they still dropped 110.

    Bowen was great, but no Spur last night played any defense.

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    Did not see game, was on road to Arlington last night.

    Why did Francisco only play 1 min??? Is he hurt?

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    Rebounding.

    When the Spurs and Mavs play and the teams go small, the Mavs' small team dominates the Spurs' small team on the boards. That's why the Mavs have outrebounded the Spurs in 12 out of the last 13 games they've played, something ridiculous like that.
    Agreed. And it's mostly long rebounds where Dallas' quickness to loose balls kills the Spurs. Typically, the Spurs play great D for 20 seconds then Dallas jacks up a long off-balance shot which clanks to some ridiculous destination where one of the Dallas roaches snaps it up. This process repeats until the Mavs hit a tough shot or the Spurs' D just wears out in frustration. I think not only athleticism, but physicality , on the wings is called for. A hard foul or two going for loose balls if need be -- I think Dallas shrinks up at that point. Washington might be the ticket.

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    Agreed. And it's mostly long rebounds where Dallas' quickness to loose balls kills the Spurs. Typically, the Spurs play great D for 20 seconds then Dallas jacks up a long off-balance shot which clanks to some ridiculous destination where one of the Dallas roaches snaps it up. This process repeats until the Mavs hit a tough shot or the Spurs' D just wears out in frustration. I think not only athleticism, but physicality , on the wings is called for. A hard foul or two going for loose balls if need be -- I think Dallas shrinks up at that point. Washington might be the ticket.
    Terry and Harris seem to be to much for Parker/(insert scrub point guard). Hopefully Darious plans out so he could put Harris ass on the floor every time he penetrates. And their guards always seem to make impossible kobe type fadeaways against. Like I said this is where we really miss Malik against Dallas. He would be frustrating the out of Dirk positioning himself for key rebounds. I guess everybody forgets that the last time we beat Dallas was in 03.

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    You guys are expecting too much of Brent.

    And you diss him when he has a bad game.

    WTF. I dont want "trade Brent" threads anymore, Brent is a huge part of the team, and Pop and co. know that. He probably is untradeable, same with Finley and the Big Three.

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    Best Spur game ever by Barry, on both ends.
    Didn't Barry score 24 points once against the Clippers? Or that weird overtime-sending three against the Kings in 06?

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    Terry and Harris seem to be to much for Parker/(insert scrub point guard). Hopefully Darious plans out so he could put Harris ass on the floor every time he penetrates. And their guards always seem to make impossible kobe type fadeaways against. Like I said this is where we really miss Malik against Dallas. He would be frustrating the out of Dirk positioning himself for key rebounds. I guess everybody forgets that the last time we beat Dallas was in 03.
    Huh? I thought we beat them first game of 06-07 season, just about 13 months ago.

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    You guys are expecting too much of Brent.

    And you diss him when he has a bad game.

    WTF. I dont want "trade Brent" threads anymore, Brent is a huge part of the team, and Pop and co. know that. He probably is untradeable, same with Finley and the Big Three.
    Tim Duncan is the only "untradeable" Spur there is. Parker and Ginobili would only be traded for superstars. And Bowen wouldn't net nearly enough in return.

    Outside of those four, any of the Spurs can be traded.

    Just because Barry started off the season hot, doesn't mean the Spurs should hesitate to trade him if they get a great offer.

    Same goes for Fin or any other role player on this team. The simple fact that these guys are defined as role players makes them succeptible to trade.

    In fact, Barry is probably still the most tradeable asset the Spurs have. He has an expiring $6M contract that could be used to get back some more long-term help on the wings and the Spurs are pretty much guaranteed not to have too much cap space over the next couple summers, having signed Bonner and Oberto this last off-season.

    Bottom Line: Barry had a good game, but is not untradeable or a key piece to this team night in and night out.

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