sarcasm my friend.T Park - I thought you were a died-in-the-wool Republican? We voted for the other side this time
Very very very heavy sarcasm.
Im not a died in the wool republican.
Im a died in the wool conservative, who owns abusiness, and wants the government to leave my life alone.
Ah-ha. Sarcasm not always so obvious on the internet, but that's what I figured.
Without government there is no civilisation, but I'll agree to disagree with you as this isn't the political forum. And, yes, I do think to some extent the world is over-governed.
Well I voted labour.. few key reasons..
IR laws - gave way too much power to the employer, and even as someone who may someday own there own business I can't see them being fair. I completely agree the unions are a necessary balance.
Iraq - its all been said before
I liked Rudd > Howard > Costello
Finally, We needed change.
I don't mean socialist as in how it would have been defined in the former Soviet Union. I'm referring to socialistic tendencies in which the government assures the populace of free/cheap medical care and tries to guarantee everyone a minimum standard of living. It doesn't work.
Every great civilization in human history provided free medical care to its citizens, or at least subsidized it to an affordable degree.
America is the first not to, and is currently the last.
Isn't it interesting that the medical care in America is the best in the world (by far!) then?
Thats a true statement....
...for those that can afford it.
Thank God we're in the group that can, yeah?
We will have a Democrat in the White House in about a year's time. So, I guess this is a preview of what to expect in American politics.
T-Park will start a neo-con revolution and will be shot by the National Gaurd.
All will end well.
i hope you aren't fat
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle474252.ece
that's rich
....God help us.
Well guess we can say RNR is not altogether truthful.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...5&page=2&pp=26
He just only post once a year, so he says, but lurks all the time.
The problem with cheap medical care is that it's exactly that.
Moore's monkeys fail to see that.
Lasik surgery in the USA = $3,000 - $4,500
Lasik surgery in Mexico = $1,100
I could go on and on with how much more expensive everything is here, but I just don't have the time.
I just know I would like Washington taking care of my
health care, you know like they handle most things.
Hey all the liberals want them to take care of health
care, well you know like they accuse FEMA of taking
care of NO. Now doesn't that make you feel better.
If you got shot and had a collapsed lung or something would you go to Mexico for surgery?
If I got shot in Mexico, it's because I was doing something illegal and I derserve it.
Besides, there are plenty of hospitals in the U.S. that you wouldn't go to if you got shot and had a collapsed lung.
Check the inner city hospitals were people go "to die".
Anyway, Mexico has very good hopitals if you're willing to pay (still much cheaper than in the U.S.). All the major cities in Mexico have great hospitals.
I seriously doubt that the top mexican hospitals are equivalent to the top american hospitals. I also believe that the "worst" american hospitals are far superior to the worst mexican hospitals or any other country's for that matter.
I don't think anything compares to John's Hopkins or Sinai Medical, but not every American has access to them. You're talking about hospitals Americans can't afford to go to. So, big whoop if they're the best if the greater part of the country can't afford to go there.
My point, which you apparently missed, is that you can get very good and cheap medical care outside the U.S.
Well glad to know we are dealing with a rational, intelligent
individual who knows what he is talking about......
Whottt
Of the 3 examples you gave
- Citizens of all 3 countries have a higher life expectancy than in the US.
- GDP growth is better in 2 of them while the 3rd one is close by.
- GDP per capita in Norway is actually higher than in the US (and as you probably know the US' is pretty damn high).
Source: CIA Factbook.
Why the did you have to name 2 succesful Scandinavian countries as examples when everybody who has ever been there knows they have one of the best social/medical systems in the world. And as someone who has lived 12 years in France (as a foreigner I might add) I can tell you their doctors and hospitals are pretty damn good.
Top medical ins utions in the US are in did top notch (in some fields even the best in the world), but sadly the number of US citizens that can afford their services is getting smaller. And while the "free" medical care is not as plush or sophisticated as in the US private sector it is available to all and actually performs many procedures just as well without requiring second mortgages from those who need them.
If you're so rich that you just have to have the absolute best - well good for you and you can! There's plenty of private clinics in all of the European countries that will gladly take your money and offer top notch (compared to the best US ins utions) services and luxury.
As a rich person you have the luxury of choice - in the US or in Europe. Middle class people don't. So why take away a decent affordable medical system as well?
I'm glad that such an intelligent individual as yourself thinks that the U.S. is immune to bad hospitals.Well glad to know we are dealing with a rational, intelligent
individual who knows what he is talking about......
I bow to your intelligence.
That's exactly right, Slomo. That's what they don't understand. The rich in the US can afford the best medical care and don't have a single complaint in the world. They can't understand what we, middle and lower classes, complain about.
We don't have the necessary means for good medical care, and I think the European model would help us have access to much better medical care.
I'm sure you realize that the income tax rate of both Scandinavian countries mentioned is greater than 50%. You can't directly correlate life expectancy to quality of health care. The GDP of those countries will not continue to climb.
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