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These would be much more entertaining than trying to definitively rank 30 NBA teams so early in the season. bag poster rankings would be great as well.
TDMVPDPOY is still number 1 in the moron poster power rankings, which is refreshing.
The rest of the top 5:
2. CaptMike
3. mavsfan1000
4. Purple & Gold
5. Doug Collins
6 - 1000. CaptMike
These would be much more entertaining than trying to definitively rank 30 NBA teams so early in the season. bag poster rankings would be great as well.
da_suns_fan__ would be the runaway #1 until SpursDynasty's return.
Where's Kiszla when you need him?
If Steve Nash finished his career and retired without ever winning a championship AND Tony Parker finished his career but retires an 8X NBA Champion, would you still think Steve Nash is better? Parker has 3 NBA rings and 1 Finals MVP. How does that not make him better than Nash already? And Parker still at such a young age and plenty of years ahead while Steve Nash's career is in it's twilight.
I need to re-do my rankings.
Based on his stupidity in the College Sports forum, Brutalis has now been ranked #6.
Parker always wins the head-to-head matchup against Nash, he's a better defender than Nash, but I'm not so sure he could duplicate Nash's success running that offense in Phoenix. He's not the distributor that Nash is, he's not as good as Nash at creating for others. I've always had a hard time evaluating Parker because he plays with Duncan. He's certainly a very good player, probably an All-Star, but how much easier is the game for him when Tim Duncan is anchoring the frontline behind him?
The only way to really compare them is to have them switch places. Where would Phoenix be with Tony Parker? Where would the Spurs be with Steve Nash?
Even Aggieland can't rehabilitate a Suns fan.
Yeah, Parker can be a more aggressive defender because Duncan is behind him.
I guess that depends on what your criteria for measuring success. If its simply number of rings, then Parker has the edge.
However, you could argue that Beno Udrih has had a better career than Nash then.
In every other imaginable way of measuring a players success, Nash has a huge edge.
Has Francisco Elson had a better career than Kevin Garnett?
He has more rings.
Did Horace Grant have a better career than Karl Malone?
He has more rings.
I can't even believe Im taking the time to argue this.
Tony Parker?
Come on.
I don't know what this means.
Even Aggieland can't rehabilitate a Suns fan.
The Spurs are actually good and have won something recently.
All Arkansas has produced is a crazed fan posting a video of him shooting his Auburn tickets with a shotgun on YouTube.
Has Steve Nash been named Finals MVP? Ever? Maybe never.
Parker ALWAYS wins the head to head matchup with Nash?
Not even looking, Im guessing Nash had a better game than Parker four out of six times in last years playoffs (I do this knowing that Parker had three crappy games in the series and Nash didn't have any).
Surely Parker can't ALWAYS win the head to head matchup. In fact, Im pretty sure he usually loses that matchup.
FinDog, what the are you talking about?
Exactly. Nash's defense would improve if Duncan was his center.
But if you think about it objectively, what WOULD the Suns be with Parker? Absolute lightning on the court. They would have the fastest team the NBA has seen, maybe ever. Sure, Parker isn't the assist guy that Nash is, but with Parker, Barbs, Marion, Hill, and Amare on the court, I seriously doubt they'd lose a lot on offense. That's not to discount how good Nash is, it's just that the Suns offense is pretty scary when it's on.
Steve Nash played with a dominating big man in Dallas, another regular season MVP no less! Did they ever win a championship? Ever? Ever?
Never.
He certainly did when Nash wore blue and white, when they did guard each other. I know the Suns hide Nash on Bowen and Marion guards Parker, so they don't guard each other usually. That's part of how Nash doesn't measure up well to Parker in that the Suns have to pull their best defender out of the frontcourt to take Nash's man for him. Against most teams, the Suns have a huge advantage at PG. Against San Antonio, it's pretty close to a draw.
Not that anybody guards Duncan well, but I bet Marion could do a better job than Amare or Brian Skinner.
Dirk isn't a low-post b2basket scorer.
Conjecture. You cannot conclusively say that Nash would be a good defender with Duncan. The Spurs defense is predicated on extremely fast rotations and allowing no open shots. No breakdowns. Nash would blow a hole in that idea the size of Kansas.
Of course, with Duncan and Bowen teaching him footwork, he just might improve a bit!
Steve Nash! 2X MVP of regular season! OOOHHHHHH!!! Makes me all tingly inside!
I'm pretty sure I said his defense would improve, which it most certainly would. I didn't say anything about him suddenly making All-Defense Teams.Conjecture. You cannot conclusively say that Nash would be a good defender with Duncan. The Spurs defense is predicated on extremely fast rotations and allowing no open shots. No breakdowns. Nash would blow a hole in that idea the size of Kansas.
Of course, with Duncan and Bowen teaching him footwork, he just might improve a bit!
I don't know if Parker actually wins head-to-head with Nash, but Nash and the Suns do very little to impede Parker from doing whatever he wants to do on the floor.
Game 1:
Parker: 32 points and 8 assists. 6 turnovers. 63% shooting
Nash: 31 points and 8 assists. 0 turnovers. 61 % shooting
Edge: Could go either way. They both had nearly identical shooting nights but Parker had six turnovers. Gotta say Nash was the better player.
Game two:
Parker: 14 points. 3 assists. Four turnovers. 35% shooting.
Nash: 20 points. 16 assists. Three turnovers. 41% shooting.
Edge: Easily Nash (so I guess Parker doesn't ALWAYS win their head to head matchup, right FinDog).
Game 3:
Parker: 16 points, 5 assists, two turnovers, 38 % shooting
Nash: 16 points, 11 assists, five turnovers, 35% shooting.
Edge: Parker
Game 4:
Parker: 24 points, 7 assists, 5 turnovers, 47 % shooting
Nash: 24 points, 15 assists, 8 turnovers, 66% shooting
Edge: Nash
Game 5:
Parker: 11 points, 5 assists, 3 turnovers, 38 % shooting
Nash: 19 points, 12 assists, 3 turnovers, 31% shooting
Edge: Nash
Game 6:
Parker: 30 points, 6 assists, 1 turnover, 40% shooting
Nash: 18 points, 14 assists, 5 turnovers, 70% shooting
Edge: Could go either way. Parker had a great scoring night but thats only because he shot a lot. I'll give him the slight nod here since I gave Nash the nod for game one.
Final tally:
Nash - 4
Parker - 2
Edit: I see that FinDog has revised his statement to say that Nash was outplayed by Parker when Nash played for Dallas.
Also, its true that these two don't even guard each other. This gets back to the Nash is bad defender hypocrisy.
Marion and Amare are not that great at creating for themselves. Amare has looked in' scary at times with Nash. Without him, I don't fear him anymore than I would Al Jefferson. Marion scores most of his points off putbacks and tip-ins instead of running set plays. I've only watched one Spurs game so far this year, but historically Parker has not been nearly the outside shooter that Nash is, and spreading the floor is extremely important in that offense. Nash is shooting 55% from the floor this year.
If we only care about offense, I suppose Nash usually outscores Parker. Do the Spurs pull their best frontcourt defender off of Amare so he can guard Nash? That's pretty weak . If you want a pure demonstration of what happens when they guard each other, Parker outplayed him consistently when Nash was a Maverick. That was one of the reasons Dallas didn't break the bank to resign him, because they knew they would have to get past San Antonio somehow and it wasn't going to happen with Steve Nash guarding Tony Parker.
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