Pro Elite losing chingos of $

[Evan]

Of course you had no idea, you're clueless. You actually think people paid to see Bisbing vs what's his name.

Bisping Vs Evans was not supposed to be the main event.

It was supposed to be Chuck Vs Silva but Silva had to push it back... It was a very solid card without a headline main event.

Again why can't boxing put on this many shows........

[LEONARD]

The sport is clearly fading away...it was fun while it lasted boys...

* Nov 30th: BodogFight Russia vs USA 2
* Dec 1st: Cage Rage 24
* Dec 8th: Ultimate Fighter 6 Finale (same time as Mayweather vs Hatton)
* Dec 12th: WEC31
* Dec 15th: Icon Sports
* Dec 15th: HDNet Reckless Abandon
* Dec 29th: IFL Grand Prix Finals
* Dec 29th: UFC Nemesis
* Dec 31st: K1 Dynamite
* Dec 31st: Yarennoka!

[2centsworth]

Bisping Vs Evans was not supposed to be the main event.

It was supposed to be Chuck Vs Silva but Silva had to push it back... It was a very solid card without a headline main event.

Again why can't boxing put on this many shows........

first, boxing does put on a lot of shows. However, why would they want to follow in the footsteps of Vince McMahon and Wrestling? Your Hulk Hogan is fading fast, but maybe Goldberg can help revive the sport.

[2centsworth]

The sport is clearly fading away...it was fun while it lasted boys...

* Nov 30th: BodogFight Russia vs USA 2
* Dec 1st: Cage Rage 24
* Dec 8th: Ultimate Fighter 6 Finale (same time as Mayweather vs Hatton)
* Dec 12th: WEC31
* Dec 15th: Icon Sports
* Dec 15th: HDNet Reckless Abandon
* Dec 29th: IFL Grand Prix Finals
* Dec 29th: UFC Nemesis
* Dec 31st: K1 Dynamite
* Dec 31st: Yarennoka!

all losing money except maybe the UFC, but with the Pride debacle maybe the they are all losing money. Also, who in the watches most of that stuff?

[LEONARD]

all losing money except maybe the UFC, but with the Pride debacle maybe the they are all losing money. Also, who in the watches most of that stuff?

Real MMA fans do...

So are you going to reveal your source for your PPV buyrates or not chump??

[Evan]

all losing money except maybe the UFC, but with the Pride debacle maybe the they are all losing money.

WTF are you talking about?

Seriously...start providing links to back up your statements or there is no point in even debating with you.

[Evan]

As further proof how far off this topic is...

http://mmajunkie.com/2007/12/16/proe...th-icon-sport/

[LEONARD]

Let's not talk about the PPV #'s for Mayweather-Hatton compared to the projected numbers either...

850k vs 1.5M...

oops...

[2centsworth]

Let's not talk about the PPV #'s for Mayweather-Hatton compared to the projected numbers either...

850k vs 1.5M...

oops...

Still over 1M mma. Nevertheless, I don't like Mayweather as much as the next guy. His fights are usually boring.

BTW, atleast boxing releases number in good and bad times. mma, for having such balls, sure are scared to release their numbers.

anyways, the back and forth is getting old. I still think a good mma fight is entertaining, but I can't even recognize the names anymore. You have to be obsessed to keep up with mma.

[Evan]

UFC PPV numbers are thinned out since they have so many events, many of which are free. Dana White even addressed this at the end of 2006 he made it clear he expects the actual specific PPV fight numbers to drop since they will have so many fights in 07 but the total purchases for the year to rise.

Boxing could never dream of having so many events.

If the back and forth is getting old why do you keep making the threads and hoping in the MMA threads?

[2centsworth]

UFC PPV numbers are thinned out since they have so many events, many of which are free. Dana White even addressed this at the end of 2006 he made it clear he expects the actual specific PPV fight numbers to drop since they will have so many fights in 07 but the total purchases for the year to rise.

Boxing could never dream of having so many events.

as I said I'm tired of the back and forth for right now.

If the back and forth is getting old why do you keep making the threads and hoping in the MMA threads?

I like to mess with people who I perceive as arrogant especially when they keep trolling boxing threads.

Also, look at the record I don't think I've ever jumped in an MMA thread and started criticizing the sport. If I ever do jump in it's always to talk about the fighter or sport in a good way.

again, I was a fan of they sport and stil am to some degree, but the obnoxious mma fans has soured the sport in my eyes.

[LEONARD]

BTW, atleast boxing releases number in good and bad times. mma, for having such balls, sure are scared to release their numbers

I don't get it...you quote the UFC PPV numbers often...how is that??

as I said I'm tired of the back and forth for right now.

I like to mess with people who I perceive as arrogant especially when they keep trolling boxing threads.

Also, look at the record I don't think I've ever jumped in an MMA thread and started criticizing the sport. If I ever do jump in it's always to talk about the fighter or sport in a good way.

again, I was a fan of they sport and stil am to some degree, but the obnoxious mma fans has soured the sport in my eyes.

Never criticized the sport? (I'm not going to bother pulling quotes because you're response will be that I'm obsessed and need help )

Sorry, but I don't buy that you were ever much of an MMA fan...that's just based on some of the things you've said here...like Rampage vs Henderson was a joke, for example...

[2centsworth]

I don't get it...you quote the UFC PPV numbers often...how is that??

you can only obtain estimates now, unlike the past

Never criticized the sport? (I'm not going to bother pulling quotes because you're response will be that I'm obsessed and need help )

I bet that was in a boxing thread that you trolled. If memory serves me right, it's the boxing thread that you went in to and said boxing isn't fighting.

Sorry, but I don't buy that you were ever much of an MMA fan...that's just based on some of the things you've said here...like Rampage vs Henderson was a joke, for example...

compared to the obsessed you're right, but I started watching when Royce Gracie was on top. I remember tank, renzo, Kimo, Shamrock, etc... Then I started to follow o to Chuck. The game got huge and then the worst of the sport started to show, mainly it's fans.

Rampage vs Henderson was a very technical fight. What's exciting to me is striking and those guys never took the risk, and from a technical standpoint they probably made the right decision. However, from an entertainment standpoint is was closer to a Mayweather fight in my eyes.

[TheTruth]

Why the do we have to keep talking numbers. The night of the Mayweather fight, I watched a damn good MMA card on e and damn good boxing match on PPV. Why does it have to go past that.

The only thing Leonard ever says in a Boxing thread is that he gave it a chance and didn't like it. Then he'll come back 20 minutes later and post something negative about the PPV buys.

2cent needs to just stop feeding the MMA crazies. They outnumber us on this site.

[Evan]

This entire thread was made to start an argument with MMA fans.

[TheTruth]

This entire thread was made to start an argument with MMA fans.

Congratulations on taking the bait.

[Evan]

Congratulations on taking the bait.

I appreciate the support.

[LEONARD]

you can only obtain estimates now, unlike the past

I bet that was in a boxing thread that you trolled. If memory serves me right, it's the boxing thread that you went in to and said boxing isn't fighting.

compared to the obsessed you're right, but I started watching when Royce Gracie was on top. I remember tank, renzo, Kimo, Shamrock, etc... Then I started to follow o to Chuck. The game got huge and then the worst of the sport started to show, mainly it's fans.

Rampage vs Henderson was a very technical fight. What's exciting to me is striking and those guys never took the risk, and from a technical standpoint they probably made the right decision. However, from an entertainment standpoint is was closer to a Mayweather fight in my eyes.

Still waiting on a source for your estimates...I've seen numbers for about 3 events this year and that's it...

Early to mid-90's UFC was garbage. Everything makes sense now...you'd rather watch Tank than skilled athletes like Rampage and Hendo...

Rampage and Hendo stayed on their feet plenty and threw plenty of huge punches...you make it sound like a jab fest. Neither guy is easy to KO. Hendo has never been knocked out and he's a MW...very unlikely that he'd KO Rampage...

Congratulations on taking the bait.

"Taking the bait" intentionally is fun...

[TheTruth]

I enjoyed that fight of Tank's when he tried to throw the tiny grappler out of the cage, only to have the tiny grappler grab hold of him and submit him. That was high comedy.

[Evan]

who? what?

[TheTruth]

who? what?

I'm not sure who he was fighting, but it happened years ago and was hilarious.

[Evan]

Oh Tank Abbot!

May have been back in the mid 90's. There was many freakshow fights in the beginning.

Fights like that is what got MMA de-regulated.

[LEONARD]

I enjoyed that fight of Tank's when he tried to throw the tiny grappler out of the cage, only to have the tiny grappler grab hold of him and submit him. That was high comedy.

Sounds wicked...

[Evan]

Do you know what fight he is talking about?

I don't remember ever hearing of somone trying to be tossed out of the ring.

[TheTruth]

It was on one of those old UFC compilation videos they used to rent out in the late '90s. I've searched and can't find the video. It is hilarious, and you need to try to find it.