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how about build the roads using hte money from the gas tax instead of appropriating it to different areasDoes the toll party bunch have any alternatives, or do they only rail against the toll roads?
nahhhhh
If all the gas tax money was used to build and maintain roads, we would not need toll taxes. Road building would be everywhere.
But our good federal governament uses most of the gas tax to fund its wasteful spending.
So this issue is quite simple: the government just wants more of your hard earned money through taxes to fund its wasteful ways.
shhh
don't use facts.
BTW, good thing a white person didn't say something about the east side, or else al sharpton would've been over here on an a plane already.
how about build the roads using hte money from the gas tax instead of appropriating it to different areasDoes the toll party bunch have any alternatives, or do they only rail against the toll roads?
nahhhhh
Tolls aren't taxes though. Generally toll roads are constructed by private companies who, in return for building the road, get to rip off the people who use it.So this issue is quite simple: the government just wants more of your hard earned money through taxes to fund its wasteful ways.
I hate toll roads, but this is not a "money-grubbing government" issue. It's more like a "government not taking responsibility for infrastructure spending" issue, and the public gets ripped off as a result.
At least this article carefully demonstrates there are complete morons on both sides of the argument (Hall and McNeil is a cage match of stupidity!).
Ironic considering how many times you've been told and re-told the facts of tolls, T Park, yet you still continue to spout off the same nonsense about them.
shhh
don't use brain.
Here's all the facts you need about the Toll Road situation, completely debunking Terri Hall's nonsense.
http://home.att.net/~texhwyman/editorials.htm
My level of confidence that T Park ignores and posts another "double taxation" reply within the next 2 weeks: 99.99999%
Thanx for the clarification!
I want to know why the texas department of transportation has spent 10 MILLION tax payer dollars on advertising and tollroad promotion
t park regulates on johnsmith ugly style in this thread
I live in Stone Oak; and as a "stay-at-home" mom, I spend most of my life on 281. Where are the people who want "this thing ing done"? The last 4 HOA meetings I have attended, not a single person wanted it done. I am an active member of 2 PTAs, and I have yet to attend a meeting where anyone wanted it done. The gym in Stone Oak I am a member of and my kid's scout troops and sports teams---no one. The place in Stone Oak I get my hair done, my vet's office, my dentist's office---no one. Among the neighbors on my street---no one. This is being discussed everywhere by residents of Stone Oak; and although I can't speak for everyone, I think I have pretty wide point of reference. So where are the people who want it?
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 12-01-2007 at 10:07 AM. Reason: fixing your quote
also this has killed threads before but its still hilarious because its true
why is someone who supports tollroads 100% more likely to support the war in iraq than a tollroad opponent?
Funny thing about that 281 mess.....in 1999 the Tex Dot had $50 million ready to go to build three overpasses; one at Encino Rio, one at Evans and one at Stone Oak. But they delayed and the cost escalated off the map. Had they built those overpasses back then the traffic mess out there would considerably less.
Now I'm not defending her, but I think it's a bit unrealistic for you to assume that a resident of Bulverde uses 281 once a week. Have you been to Bulverde? Not much there. I know there are amenities like HEB and Home Depot close by, but they are on 281. The school buses use 281 (yes I know she home schools). From where I live in Stone Oak (near Bush MS), because of my kids' activities I venture out 281 past Borgfield Rd at least 3 times per week. I'm sure you know most of the people who live in Bulverde work in San Antonio? Heavy traffic out there (granted not as bad as closer to 1604). And weekends----the traffic to and from Canyon Lake is BAD. I think Bulverde residents have a big stake in this.
I have no problem with anyone from Bulverde protesting the tolls, I have no problem with anyone protesting the trolls. You may misunderstand what I'm trying to get across. My problem is with who the anti-toll party use as their face and mouthpiece.
I live in Stone Oak as well (Blanco side) and am in favor of the toll roads as our wonderful legislature has raided the gas tax intended for roads and spent it on other things not even related to roadwork.I live in Stone Oak; and as a "stay-at-home" mom, I spend most of my life on 281. Where are the people who want "this thing ing done"? The last 4 HOA meetings I have attended, not a single person wanted it done. I am an active member of 2 PTAs, and I have yet to attend a meeting where anyone wanted it done. The gym in Stone Oak I am a member of and my kid's scout troops and sports teams---no one. The place in Stone Oak I get my hair done, my vet's office, my dentist's office---no one. Among the neighbors on my street---no one. This is being discussed everywhere by residents of Stone Oak; and although I can't speak for everyone, I think I have pretty wide point of reference. So where are the people who want it?
Trust me, I'm no fan of TxDOT at all (I build large things for a living and cannot understand why making the ground flat and pouring asphalt on it takes so long), and actually like the idea of a private interest building and running a road as they have a vested interest in it's upkeep, but am ready for anything that will alleviate the traffic.
You ing idiot.
I have said time and time again (because T Park keeps bringing it up), that he is right. Roads should be funded by the gas tax. That's part of the reason taxes were there in the first place. I've also said that since that is not going to happen, we need toll roads on the north side of SA.
See, that is is your problem, you don't look into things because you are a ing idiot.
I have been a resident of Bulverde all my life (28 years) and I am 100% in favor of the toll roads.
Im not going to beat a dead horse here, but there are going to be acceptable means of getting into San Antonio without paying a toll. The toll road is going to be put in place as a luxury, meaning if you choose to drive into San Antonio for free, you are going to have to go through the same process that you do now. If you choose to pay, you get a non-stop route into town.
This benefits both the paying and non paying people, it will alleviate a lot of the congestion as there will be some people who choose to pay, such as myself.
I really wish people would understand this. I get very irritated when people mouth off about things that they have no idea about. It also pisses me off when people such as TPark and others that will never ever use this road get so upset about it.
TPark, when was the last time you went to Bulverde?
And mrsmaloxx I agree with your comments. People in Bulverde have a HUGE stake in this, its southsiders that have never been to Comal county that need to shut up about the whole thing.
Tpark, after re-reading some of your posts in this thread, I do have one question for you.
Can you really be this dumb?
IMHO, just because someone may never use the toll roads doesn't mean they can't have a say when it comes to tax dollars and what makes you think southsiders have never been to Comal county? Are they too poor to travel and can't voice their opinions? And TPark is dumb?
I'm not misunderstanding you. The only points you have made for naming this woman a fraud are 1) former Californian 2) housewife without a job 3) doesn't use 281 enough. I just want to know your VALID reason, so I can make my own judgement in this case. Is she a convicted felon? Known ties to Al Quaida? Child molester? Pro-toll roads indisguise? Rebuffed your advances? Just kidding. Seriously I'm not picking a fight with you, but if there is something so important we should know about her why are you keeping it a secret? Tell us please!!!
I have driven on two toll roads in Southern California and they are a godsend. I'm talking about the 73 and 241. Both let you avoid the El Toro Y, which is a nightmare. There is never any traffic on these roads, while the rest of the freeways are packed.
I will probably very rarely use this proposed toll road in the Stone Oak since I'm hardly ever out in that area, but defiintiely would support it.
I think if some of you ever had the opportunity to use a toll road during a heavily congested traffic period, you just might change your mind.
Southsiders won't have to pay taxes on the roads dumbass. Unless someone uses the road, they aren't paying for it.
You know, funny thing is that it doesn't matter how much anyone complains, they are going to be built in San Antonio.
TxDot requires a certain amount of complaints for a study to be completed in regards to any project. The number has to meet a percentage that I can't remember off the top of my head of cars that travel on any particular road. There are roughly 350,000 vehicles that travel north of 1604 on 281 nowadays, up 400% from 10 years ago. These complaints must be in written, letter form, and sent to a certain department of the agency.
Guess how many they have received?????????????????????
THey are still in double digits only.
Good job toll party. And you mookie.
Hey, Opinionater, how many times have you been to Comal county?
Hi,
I'm pretty out of the loop on this topic but I'm trying to read up and get informed.
Can you guys do me a favor and vote in this poll, and leave a couple comments here:
http://sanantonio.about.com/b/2007/1...for-monday.htm
It would help me out.
Thanks.
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