Yeah, because Yao doesn't help at all...
People like you that think all success Manu had is only because of TD make me sick, and is the main reason i sometimes hate he's such a team player.
no, there are more differences, manu's style is better suited to winning than tmacs, and where manu will play injured and be emotionally attached to the outcome, tmac will be on the bench yawning as his team blows another lead. tmac is the more skilled player, but manu is the bigger compe or, and duncan has nothing to do with that.
he is a great team player, i agree
he is a huge compe or i agree
but without TD, he just wouldn't have 3 rings right now
I disagree. Manu has won championships on any team he has played with. I'm not saying he is the reason why the spurs won 3 but he's definitely a proven winner. We will probably never know whether he could have won without TD though.
You have to factor in Manu's age if you're a GM. At 30, how many years has he got left in him, especially with his all-out style of play.
You play the percentages and don't give up younger great player for older great player so that doesn't leave many teams with a good trading position unless they're a lottery team willing to give up a player and 1st round draft pick.
Hmmm. David Lee and the Knick's first round pick next year? No Isaiah would never go for it. He'd insist on their next TWO first round picks.
DWIGHT HOWARD.
I'm sorry Manu, I love you. But if I could, I'd trade you for Dwight.
Yeah, go ahead and throw Finley in there as well.
Dumbest statement I've heard in here for awhile now.
Manu didn't have TD when he won European championships.
Manu didn't have TD when he won the Olympics.
To ignore what Manu has done EVERYWHERE, including the NBA is silliness. How many rings/championships does Manu have without TD. Now, how many does TD have without Manu
Manu is Manu, with, or without Duncan. And if you think the only difference between Tmac and Manu, is TD...
And Dwight Howard would make me think a little bit
i think manu has risen his stock too much with his recent play... all these damned "hypothetical trade manu threads".
Dumbest statement I've heard in here for awhile now.
Manu didn't have TD when he won European championships.
Manu didn't have TD when he won the Olympics.
To ignore what Manu has done EVERYWHERE, including the NBA is silliness. How many rings/championships does Manu have without TD. Now, how many does TD have without Manu
Manu is Manu, with, or without Duncan. And if you think the only difference between Tmac and Manu, is TD...
And Dwight Howard would make me think a little bit
Hey, my point is that Manu can't lead a NBA team to the le (i'm not talking FIBA here).
If you truly believe he could have had a ring without TD, you're just biased
Manu has won on many teams that didn't include Tim Duncan.
TD has nothing to do with the compe ive heart that Manu plays the game with.
Without Manu, TD could be shy a few rings also.
TD is no longer the beginning, the middle, and the end of the Spurs. Some people just can't bring themselves to believe that.
anyways no one can really trade for manu- his contract is a total bargain for the way he is playing, and as long as he has that value the spurs wouldn't get equal value back- they'd have to include a bunch of players to match salary with someone who could fill manu's role, and thus open up more holes. if manu becomes injury prone, and starts settling for jumpers in the 4th (like, say, tmacthen maybe the spurs will decide his contract doesnt justify his production and settle for less.
We'd throw you Rip and maybe Amir or a first.
"Squeaky" Johnson, Anthony Fuqua, Kevin Pittsnogle and a D-League 5th rounder.
I have no doubt the Toros would trade all that for Manu. You might even talk them into a 3rd rounder instead...
don't post if you don;t like it.... this is just to see what people is believeing out there about how much value he actually has on the NBA market (that goes for people talking about D-League )
Manu and the Spurs never win an NBA le without Duncan on the roster.
That's not even debatable.
Not even close.
In 2003 the Spurs win the le without Manu. He was in his first season with the Spurs and we didn't rely on him in clutch situations yet.
2005 and 2007 and 2008 no Manu no le.
i guess TD wasnt able to win an olympic gold, because he didnt have manu there to help him...
therefore, in the olympics, the difference between TD and say, shareef abdur rahim, is jason kidd- its not possible that there is anything important about the comparison beyond the results (SAR and jkidd 1, TD 0)
romain.star, why dont you address the other differences between tmac and manu i mentioned? dont worry this discussion will soon be moot, once tmac decides hes made enough money and that getting to the 2nd round is too difficult to bother "trying".
i think Tim should have never played for Team USA and should have played for the virgin islands in amateur sports... that's the reason why he probably didn;t succeed...i guess TD wasnt able to win an olympic gold, because he didnt have manu there to help him...
therefore, in the olympics, the difference between TD and say, shareef abdur rahim, is jason kidd- its not possible that there is anything important about the comparison beyond the results (SAR and jkidd 1, TD 0)
romain.star, why dont you address the other differences between tmac and manu i mentioned? dont worry this discussion will soon be moot, once tmac decides hes made enough money and that getting to the 2nd round is too difficult to bother "trying".
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