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Spurs are dominant? Since when? Dominant teams should be able to win back to back Championships. OK, 1 and out Spurs. That really shows dominance.
The Pacific Division isn't the group of death YOU make it out to be. Please...have you seen the Southwest?taken one of the worst rosters to the playoffs twice in the toughest division in the league.
Aren't the Spurs already the most dominant team right now? Do you even understand the concept of being dominant? Did the NBA GM's pick your team as the one that was most likely to win a le this year?Dumb, trading Manu for Kobe would make the Spurs a dominant team.
Lakerfan just wishes that the Lakers could get what the Spurs have right now. I used to hear that TMac sucked because he couldn't get his team past the 1st round and that Kobe would never let his team lose in round 1...SO HOW many times has a Kobe-led team made it past Round 1? ZERO
Spurs are dominant? Since when? Dominant teams should be able to win back to back Championships. OK, 1 and out Spurs. That really shows dominance.
LOL @ that division being the toughest in the league
Bull and you know it occurs in cycles right Manic Man?
I guess you're cool with your 3peat flameout and go away in the 1st round team led by ALL-World Kobe Mean Cryant. How about best team in Pro Sports the last 10 years? How about Duncan is the only player other than Russell to win championships with completely different rosters from his first le to his most recent.
Did you know that from 1969-1986 there was not 1 repeat? Don't tell me the team sucked in that era. Winners from those seasons include Bird's Celts, Wilt's Lakers, Doc's Sixers among others. So recognize greatness, you may not like it, ESPN will continue to tell you to not like it, but I don't have to be a sheep and listen to their drivel. It's all about the Spurs, they have what you want. A winning le-contending team...Deal with it.
I ment confernce.. ok you guys got a laugh.. but trust me it's nothing compared to the laugh of people in here thinking Manu is on Bron and Kobe's level and you wouldn't trade for kobe because FINELY AND BARRY PLAY BETTER STARTING.
First of all Kobe doesn't have Duncan or parker on his team.. so the first statment is freakin stupid as .
The second statement is purely speculation on your part.
And the last is ing idiotic.. YOU WOULDN'T PLAY HIM AS THE 6TH MAN.. only a damn moron would.
Seriously this debate is as stupid as the ones I see my pistons fans have sometimes where they say they wouldn't trade Billups for Nash because Nash doesn't fit our style. He's the better freakin player.. if you have a chance to get one you do then you adjust.
No what it is is that UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE CHANGING YOUR DYNAMIC, the Spurs would be foolish to go after Kobe. If you're already the best and you have the best player already, then why do you need the 2nd best when your other parts compensate and at times, even outperform him?
I hope when you say you have the best player you mean fit and not actually the best player. And here's something that's news to you I guess.. your not guarenteed the best.. you don't even have the best record in the league.. so you saying your the best isn't based on anything other then previous years results. So.. are you the best? Nope.. as of right now the best team is the Celtics.. do you have room to impove? YEP.. Once again just like piston fans you fear change.. cause you figure whats always worked is going to continue to always work.
Ok say Tim had blew his knee out a couple nights ago and he's done for the year.. I'm sure your chances of winning would be a bit higher if you had Kobe and Parker then if you had Manu and Parker. Even if you had to make him a 6th man CAUSE FINELY AND BARRY PLAY BETTER STARTING.
It's stupid.. Kobe is the most dynamic offensive player in the league.. also one of if not the top defensive guard in the league. And yet you wouldn't trade Manu for Kobe, who is a much better player, because you basically fear changing something even if that something would make your team a dynasty (and thats skipping the whole "are the spurs or are they not a dynasty" debate)... oh and you have a few idiots in here that wouldn't do it because they'd want to have kobe coming off the bench CAUSE FINELY AND BARRY PLAY BETTER STARTING.
I wouldn't trade for Kobe...even tho I know he's the best player in the league.
Would Kobe come off the bench...even if asked to?
That's the difference between Kobe and Manu. Kobe is about Kobe...Manu is about doing whatever is needed for the "TEAM".
Spurs need a Manu, more than a Kobe. And I would bet a lot of teams feel the same way.
You can keep Kobe
Good luck man.
Again why would you even ask him to. Crap in that case I wouldn't trade Antonio McDyce for Yao Ming cause I know Dice would accept coming off the bench better then Yao.
ynh - Kobe best player in NBA my @#$ - That is Tim Duncan, first round playoff losers without Shaq like Kobe do not even merit consideration in that arguement. Put Duncan on Lakers instead of Kobe and LAL suddenly a true le threat - he unlike Kobe makes players better and would have Odom and others playing at a whole nother level.
By the way how it old Flip doing coaching the Pistonwannabees these days?
Who is Kobe?
No, I wouldn't, because you simply don't mess with chemistry like our team has. See, there are non-homer reasons for not doing that trade.
Sure, Kobe is the "better player", but how would he fit into the Spurs? Not so well. He needs shots and limelight, and we have a TEAM over here. And I would put Manu's ability to get it done in the clutch up there with Kobe's.
So no, no trade, and no homer.
If you look at the numbers P/48 mins they're about the same.
Sure,Kobe is the better player,but IŽd reather have a humble superstar tham a spoiled whining in my team.
We prolly would never ask Kobe to come off the bench. The point is, he wouldn't even if we did. If you don't understand the point that makes...you dont understand the Spurs.
And your inference that I would choose other players "just because" they would come off the bench is just a red herring.
I would come off the bench...but you can't compare me to Manu or Kobe. Willingness to do whatever is needed to be done, for the "team"....isn't that same thing as taking much lesser players simply because of that attribute.
You find the best players you can...WITH that at ude, and that's what makes a team like the SPURS.
That's why KOBE is simply not a better choice than MANU for the Spurs.
Mebbe in 3-5 yrs when MANU retires...we can talk again?
No.
Simply because Manu knows his teammates on the Spurs. He works well with them and they work well with him.
Kobe would have to learn our style and a whole new way to play that would probably defer to Duncan and TP more than he would fancy.
As tempting as it is it just wouldn't be good for team chemistry.
OH NOES! WE'RE ONLY 16-3! ZOMG WE R SUCH NOOBS. How are your Pistons doing? What? And they're not making any trades? But you suck! You aren't even on pace for 68+ wins!
He's making a point, you incompetent fool. Kobe is a me-first player. He DESTROYS team chemistry. My god, can it be that difficult to get through your head?
We aren't saying that Kobe would come off the bench. We are stating that, if asked, would he? No. Why?
BECAUSE HES A SELFISH ING PLAYER.
Can you understand it now that I've put it in caps?
Might I also add that you should talk to the Yankees about having all the best players and winning les. It's been a while for them despite having a salary of over $300,000,000 per year.
What the would you want to change about a team that just walked through the playoffs last year? Why would you want to bring in a trouble-maker with a serious alpha-male ego who needs 25 touches a night to be happy?
Oh. That's right. Because it would make the Spurs the best "on paper".
Get your head out of the fantasy league and actually watch some basketball for a change. No one said ANYTHING about Kobe's ability in this thread. It's obvious that Kobe is superior skill-wise to Manu. Kobe is also superior -wise to Ginobili as well. Of course, god forbid the Spurs want something like camaraderie or teamwork on their side, so long as they watch one player shoot 40+ shots to make a run at Wilt's 100 point game.
How many repeats have your Pistons had lately?
Wow, really? But you've got like 4 all-stars on your team! You should be able to walk over everyone!
Again another person that is basing their side of an arguement on pure speculation. You have nothing more to base your idea that Duncan would put the lakers as a true le threat if switched with Kobe then blind hate for Kobe and a homeristic view of Duncan. It has as much credibility as me saying if you subtract Kobe for Duncan you guys would actually repeat for once.
Is Kobe the best playing in the NBA? Right now.. I would Have Lebron, Kobe, Dwight, then Duncan in that order. Duncan is not the best player in the league right now.. and if you believe he is your not watching much basketball.
Man...I know this is a spurs forum...but please....every year we hear Manu is better than Kobe after manu has a good game...please. Oh and for all you re s that say he'd mess up chemistry, , did he take the "limelight" and when he played on the US team this summer....I don't think so. You guys must be to young to remember Kobe slapping your team during their 3 peat run. Yeah, I know it was all Shaq...who couldn't close out game himself for obvious reasons. Look at the Lakers this year, they have the 2nd best bench in the league...I guess Kobe couldn't steal all of their shots...what happened...man people are dense. I'll take coaches, GM's and other allstars comments on Kobe than anyone else on this board.
FTFY.
I didn't really want to go there.. But how many have you guys ever had? Seems we've done it once before.
yeah,and He keeps winning NBA rings and an Olympic Gold Medal since 2003,while Kobe has won...............................never mind.
Nop, he would demand that the little french and that tall afro were traded... that uggly old man on the bench should keep calm.
WTF... I don't want Kobe around.
Ah yes. The killer bench that Kobe totally ripped into earlier, right?
"If Kobe would have been smart, he would have mended those fences with Shaquille, let Shaquille be 'The Man' and we wouldn't be in this position. Now, after four years later, he understands that he can't do it by himself. Now he's blaming the organization, and some of that blame should be on him and some on the organization." - Magic Johnson
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