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Props to the guy asking some questions that the journalists, at least the argentines, don't ask. He give us all the chance to know some claryfing concepts right from the very source.
Who the asks those questions! Geez! I mean if you are a true fan, support the guy don't make him feel bad for being a team player.
2.-¿ Será que la ambición de Manu es terminar su carrera en la NBA como suplente ? ¿En serio?
Nice!You think that really influences despues to win 3 rings, a J.OR and the other things that passed me, if I finish playing of holder or of subs ute?? Which is the advantage to be holder?? to be in the presentacion and that name you with fairy-lights and an advertiser shouting your name?
I swear, I think Manu has to take photos of him and tony hanging out, so that people will stop with the madness!
Props to the guy asking some questions that the journalists, at least the argentines, don't ask. He give us all the chance to know some claryfing concepts right from the very source.
he talked about it in his forum before,
but some people still dont get it.
either they are new to the forum or just didnt read his comments before.
This topic is soooooooooo old, that i think even Manu has no more patience about it.
Anyway, i am amazed that Manu takes the time to answer us questions.
We get to hear from hear once a week, which i think is huge for all his fans.
It looks like Manu is getting tired of the Church of Manu . . .
I wonder how the church of Parker would react if this ever happens to Tony.
I speak Spanish pretty fluently(it's not my native language, it's my third language actually)...But I think what Manu meant with this comment was when he did used to start, he didn't touch the ball often too much because the entire BIG THREE was playing at the same time, like Tim/Manu/Tony were ALL sharing the ball...and so less opportunity for touches...I don't think it was any jab at all at Tony...just common sense that when you have the three best players out on the floor, playing at the same time, each one would get less touches than say if one of them was on the floor or even if two out of three were on the floor at the same time.
Reading this interview, Manu doesn't seem to get why the fans really care about who starts or not...His main point is that he still gets his good minutes. And he makes it clear that everything is about a TEAM, not individuals or selfishness. He makes a point to mention that everyone on the team has something to sacrifice but they do it for a common goal. He mentions Tim...the fact that Manu and Tony sometimes get more touches...and Tim doesn't mind...
And I honestly don't think he's happy with some fans constantly bashing Tony...hence his small comment at the end, that they can keep doing whatever they want, but at least his opinion is known...I don't think he can truly say what he wants to say...like "stop bashing Tony"...LOL. So he says in a way that is not too disrespectful to his fans...yet, it sounds like it gets to him a bit...
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It seems the only people who care that Manu doesn't start are people who are more Manu fans than Spur fans. I don't understand that all, for me its the team before the player.
And another thing, Manu makes it clear that he doesn't care about the player introductions/etc...that he doesn't see what he's missing being a sub...And the last lines are quite funny...He's basically "if someone knows something more/extra beneficial about being a starter, please let me know, cuz I'm missing something...maybe I'm loosing it without really knowing it"
LOL!
I seriously love this interview...it's so funny at times!
I wish I knew Spanish.
I miss having Gino in the English forum.
I think it is great how he keeps in touch with you guys.
I wish people would get away from asking Manu these silly, dumb-ass, questions that forces him to have to reiterate what it is to be a "team player" and how the culture of this team really works. If they cannot understand that team success overrides personal attributes, they should follow some other team like the Fakers, Suns or Nets -where it's every man for himself.
Oh and by the way, these same people might want to recall how Tim Duncan left around $11m on the table when he signed his latest extension. That's called selfless. We all know he's not the first Spur to do that, just the most recent. It's what this team and its culture are all about.
I thought this was common knowledge, but in case not. the reason Manu comes off the bench is to maximize the amount of time that either he or TP is on the court. they create the offense for this team, they beat defenders off the dribble, get to the basket, and finish, they set up teammates, and wreck havoc on the defense. and we don't have anyone else who can do those things, the rest are shooters, defenders, role players (and Duncan of course). So while it's great to have them both on the floor at once, we need to have one of them on the court at all times, and therefore manu subs in around when TP goes out, and our offense doesn't miss a beat
Bruce took pay cuts, Manu took pay cuts, etc...the list goes on.
This is a rare team that's unselfish...I don't think people are used to that.
And those questions are silly...reading them, I'm like "what?" Why would you keep putting Manu down...the whole, "is this how you want to play, like a sub, etc...what about Hall of Fame, etc, how come Tony/Tim sacrifice less, etc..."
and yup, vand3537, the offense works so nicely when you have at least one of them on the floor...creating shots, being in charge. Dallas copied that also, with putting Terry, as the sixth man...
Oh man, there should be a Foyer of Fame. I nominate Willy Anderson as first inductee. The dude shot his wad just before the Spurs hit it big.
The "Foyer of Fame".
some argentine fans are dumb mofos.
I'm glad Manu gets pissed at them. they know futbol but need to shut the up about basketball cause they don't know !
I can assure you that most of the posters in that forum has great basketball knowledge. It's a sad comment of yourself.
I certainly hope none of those knowledgeable posters asked these questions.
Well, it's a legimit discussion. I mean, he's our guy. We want the best for him it's understandable to ask for him to start.
For me the first time that Manu was benched (around 2004) it was hard to accept it but with Manu's last year and this start of season I have no complains, plus I've come to conclusion that Pop and Spurs organization wants the best for Manu and the team, so there's no complot against Manu.
But time to time there are another posters that usually thinks the way the whole NBA thinks, that starting it's a crucial fact, but in case of Manu it's not at all. He has proven himself in the NBA, and he's getting the recognition in the league for making this sacrifice. But again, he's our pride, so it's understandable.
For the team Manu starting games on the bench is absolutely the right move. It'd be silly at this point to dispute that. I just think some fans feel bad about it because it implies he's not respected enough to be a starter. To Argentine fans, Manu is their Jordan, and they didn't see too many Chicago games where Jordan was a bench guy.
I think deep down most Manu fans will admit the move makes sense for the Spurs team, but at the same time, they could easily raise the question, "If it's all about team sacrifice, why not ask Tony to be the 6th man then?
I'm not Argentine, but I can certainly understand some of the bitterness they might feel toward Tony. Manu's older, he's accomplished more in his career, and certainly had more to do with the '05 championship than Parker -Manu was clearly the 2nd banana on that team- and somewhere next season it seemed like Tony surpassed him on the team's totem pole as the "2nd guy" and that's been the case ever since. Manu has always had to make sacrifices to his game to suit Tony's needs/development instead of the other way around.
I think Argentine fans are frustrated because it seems like the Spurs organization tries to "hide" Manu or use him only in the savior role when the game is tight or they're behind in the 4th quarter. Maybe that's not the case as much this year, but it certainly was the last two. Whereas Duncan and Parker are always being showcased and promoted as the team's stars, Ginobili is the "x-factor" guy, like some glorified Robert Horry. They see Manu as a superstar talent being given role player responsibilities and probably wish he could have more of a front line role in the team like he does with the national team where he's THE GUY.
Games like the last two, where Manu had 37 back-to-back against two contending clubs without Tim Duncan and the Spurs won both games, well I doubt it'll make Manu fans feel any better about the situation, especially if the other two guys make the All-Star team and he doesn't. Winning is the most important thing, but you still want to be respected and appreciated. I think Argentine fans feel that Pop doesn't exactly go out of his way to promote Manu to the rest of the NBA (this might actually be good for Manu, he sneaks up on people) and it costs him individual recognition, and indirectly, the whole country of Argentina loses recognition. Like it or not, having one of your guys recognized as a superstar is a big deal in some of these other countries.
^^^^That's a good assessment. I can see being a little sympathetic to their sentiments, when its one of your countrymen succeeding on a team, world champs in the NBA.
Reason #1: Because we are fans and love to complain
Reason #2: Because some of us are argentinians
fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me offReason #1: Because we are fans and love to complain
Reason #2: Because some of us are argentinians
Hi guy i'm Argentine and obviusly a manu fan, this is a country of soccer and be a starter in soccer it's everything, may be this is the reason for the discusion. But every basketball fan in every place of the world know, that in the basket is more important finish the games than start this. for the spurs manu is the key player in the finals of close games.
nkdlunch in the manu's forum some people know's a lot of the game, like in this forums.
same herefans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off
Well, that is a manu thread is a manu forum, so I guess there isn't any pretension about being a Spurs fan over there.fans of a player who pretend to be fans of his team piss me off
Obviosly that we like the spurs and hope to win every single game, but for example: if manu is traded to the Lakers, we throw to the garbage all spurs t-shirts and buy new purpple and yellow with the 20!!!
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