Vick sentenced to 23 months

[samikeyp]

some sanity on this board please!

Why start now?

[johngateswhiteley]

Murder is a hard crime to convict. That's why someone that gets caught with a QP of weed goes to jail for 6 months while the person that murders someone gets probation. It's just a fact. But to say that the people that DO get convicted of murder would get less than 23 months makes no sense. If he had done to people what he did to those dogs, and was convicted, he would serve multiple life sentences and get the juice. So... how are you saying that they are equating human life to dogs life? If that was true, wouldn't he be serving life? Think about what you are saying.

you must be a mavs fan. see mono's post, anyway, i said some people may equate the two and its apparent they do. most people out there don't think vick got enough time in jail, thankfully the judge wasn't a complete dumb ass. i always think about what i am saying, and thats the problem...most people don't.

i love animals, i just know their place in society...worthless in comparison to human life. i had a dog growing up and a sphynx in college, and if anything happened to them i'd be furious...but i wouldn't want anyone going to jail for it. besides, vick wasn't going into people's houses or stealing other people's dogs...he was using his own. i know there was a report that he scooped up a couple stray dogs or something, but nothing i have seen was convincing of the fact. even so, who lets their dogs wonder around anyway? and i doubt these were loved cared for animals...the ones in question.

[johngateswhiteley]

Why start now?

good question...b/c i am tired of knee-jerk overreacting people who don't think before they speak, nor put things into perspective. shouldn't we all strive to use our brains?

[johngateswhiteley]

John...

One other thing. You live in the US where a majority of people love their pets. If you don't like it, move to Vietnam and you can torture and eat ing dogs all you want. I hope I catch you on the street kicking a dog you coward.

what the are you talking about? another idiotic post. i just happen to view Vick losing almost 2 years of life and millions of dollars as a little more important than whatever involvement he had in some dog fighting ring. where is the national outrage of joe schmo in the south killing dogs? where is the outrage on numerous other important things?

just admit you are the medias and they own you, much like most in the states...

[tlongII]

23 months is insane. he fought dogs...people...dogs. while some of you may equate that to human life, and you'd be a ing idiot, its not. dogs are around for entertainment purposes almost entirely. vick didn't kill anyone, he's not some repeat offender...its not like he couldn't have just got a fine and some community service. no way he should have gotten more than 6 months...tops.

the judge is insane, the prosecution is insane, and many on this board are insane. take a step back, and realize he didn't torture and kill your dog, your little pookie is fine...he/she is probably at home getting taken care of better than you take care of yourself.

people do worse things every day and i guarantee a lot of them don't get 23 months in prison. some sanity on this board please!

I agree with jgw. I think 23 months is ridiculously excessive.

[J.T.]

I have to agree with JGW because my mother used to go bat crazy on me if I was playing with the dog and it yelped, I always thought she was full of for it too.

[samikeyp]

good question...b/c i am tired of knee-jerk overreacting people who don't think before they speak, nor put things into perspective. shouldn't we all strive to use our brains?

We should, but you know as well as I do that message boards live off of knee-jerk reactions.

Perspective can be different to different people. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just different.

[johngateswhiteley]

We should, but you know as well as I do that message boards live off of knee-jerk reactions.

Perspective can be different to different people. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just different.

not in this case, i'm sorry. i have to judge. anyone who thinks 23 months fits the crime has lost their mind.

[samikeyp]

not in this case, i'm sorry. i have to judge. anyone who thinks 23 months fits the crime has lost their mind.

In your opinion...doesn't make it fact.

[J.T.]

Can Vick appeal his ruling? Seems like he got extra time because the judge didn't like him.

[samikeyp]

I have a question, didn't he go in early to get that time to count against his sentence?

[johngateswhiteley]

In your opinion...doesn't make it fact.

normally, thats true, but not in this case. there is no rational or logical argument for vick getting 23 months...there just isn't.

[samikeyp]

i always think about what i am saying,

yes, Mr. "Matt Leinart is the greatest rookie QB of all time".



(easy there killer, just jerking your chain.)

[johngateswhiteley]

I have a question, didn't he go in early to get that time to count against his sentence?

yeah, but just 3 weeks.

[johngateswhiteley]

Can Vick appeal his ruling? Seems like he got extra time because the judge didn't like him.

nope.

[johngateswhiteley]

yes, Mr. "Matt Leinart is the greatest rookie QB of all time".



(easy there killer, just jerking your chain.)

lol, i think you know what i was doing there.

[samikeyp]

normally, thats true, but not in this case. there is no rational or logical argument for vick getting 23 months...there just isn't.

again, in your opinion. Obviously the judge thought there was.

I am not going to pretend I am an expert on this case but the judge just didn't throw a dart on a dartboard and have it land on "23 months". Apparently also, he was not forthcoming on things in this investigation and lied about a positive drug test.

[samikeyp]

lol, i think you know what i was doing there.

[johngateswhiteley]

again, in your opinion. Obviously the judge thought there was.

I am not going to pretend I am an expert on this case but the judge just didn't throw a dart on a dartboard and have it land on "23 months". Apparently also, he was not forthcoming on things in this investigation and lied about a positive drug test.

it doesn't matter, obviously the judge and others were molded by the ongoing media circus. i don't care if Vick lied about a positive drug test, i could care less about weed, and i could care less if Vick punched the judge in the throat. 23 months is too much...period.

[703 Spurz]

23 months for being mean to some damn dogs?
Racism, pure and simple.

Ahhh there's always 1 or 2 guys like you with the "who gives a about dogs" at ude.

Well, he's going to jail b/c you aren't allowed to dogfight, gamble on dogfighting, and kill any dog for any reason.

Yet you think he needs to be jailed for 6 months?

You lose

[703 Spurz]

what the are you talking about? another idiotic post. i just happen to view Vick losing almost 2 years of life and millions of dollars as a little more important than whatever involvement he had in some dog fighting ring. where is the national outrage of joe schmo in the south killing dogs? where is the outrage on numerous other important things?

just admit you are the medias and they own you, much like most in the states...

You make it seem like it's someone else's fault that he's losing 2 years of his life. That had everything to do with it. It's his god damn fault he'll be locked up.

And to think of the career he had up until that point. To throw it all away

[johngateswhiteley]

its apparent now more than ever, the media has taken over this country and its residents are sheep. it, i'm glad i live in Montana.

[tlongII]

The judge used this as an opportunity for publicity. I believe they are elected officials, but I'm not certain about federal judges. IMO, there is no other explanation. Why was the sentencing announced on the same day as the Falcons Monday Night game? It was to get maximum public exposure.

[FromWayDowntown]

So if you disagree with JGW, you are a knee-jerk overreacting person who doesn't think before you speak and fails to put things in perspective while forgetting to use your brain?

I disagree with the notion that the punishment is too harsh for a number of reasons that don't strike me as particularly irrational. Primarily, the sentence Vick received for his crime was within the range of acceptable punishment for that crime. Call me an unthinking knee-jerker with no perspective, but I have this silly belief that the written law should actually mean something. If you don't like the law, fight to have it changed, but as long as it's the law, I can't see how it's unreasonable to expect that the law will be applied. At that, Vick is fortunate that he ONLY got 23 months, since the law that he broke permits a sentence of up to 60 months, probation for an additional 36 months and fine of up to $250,000. Based on the written law, Vick got off pretty lightly.

Moreover, its a monumental misnomer to call this a sentence for killing dogs. In fact, Vick didn't plead to killing dogs -- if you paid attention yesterday, the judge expressly castigated Vick for his refusal to admit that he killed dogs. Vick's conviction was for a crime called Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in an Animal Fighting Venture. I'll take a look at the statute later today, but that sounds a whole lot more like a gambling crime than an animal cruelty crime -- though it undoubtedly encompasses both acts. Vick, therefore, isn't going to the slam for 2 years just because he fought dogs; he's going to the slam because he engaged in illegal activities across state lines (making his a federal, rather than a state crime) and because he acted in concert with others to commit at least two different crimes (illegal gambling and dogfighting).

Finally, Vick was eligible to see only an 18 month sentence, but saw his time increased because, among other things, he flat damned lied to a federal probation officer about his participation in still more illegal activity; however innocuous you might think smoking weed is, possession of weed remains a federal crime and Vick could not have smoked weed without possessing it.,

Yep, finding reason in Vick's sentence can ONLY be a knee-jerk overreaction from someone who lacks perspective.

[samikeyp]

it doesn't matter, obviously the judge and others were molded by the ongoing media circus. i don't care if Vick lied about a positive drug test, i could care less about weed, and i could care less if Vick punched the judge in the throat. 23 months is too much...period.

You don't know that the judge or anyone was affected by the media attention. It is certainly possibly but you cannot be 100% sure or accurate so to say so is still speculation not fact. I get you don't care but because you don't care about something doesn't mean that it won't be considered.

Considering he could have been given 5 years, 23 months is light.


What I want to know now is what those fools from PETA are going to do. I am waiting for the "he should be thrown in jail for life" trash that they usually spew. They wanted him in jail and now they got it. I have a feeling though they will still .