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4 losses out of 21 games.
I'll take that.
Next.
What did Bonner have for breakfast that morning? What did he do so differently that allowed him to... and I never thought I would say this with Bonner... dominate the boards and seemingly score at will?
4 losses out of 21 games.
I'll take that.
Next.
The Suns had 31 assists on 43 baskets, so it shouldn't really count as a loss.Except when they lost to them by 15 points this season.
Go out and get yourselves a beer and forget this game. There will be between 16 and 18 more of them.
You will all be singing a different tune come April, May and June.
As much as I like Tony Parker, his success is dependent on Tim Duncan, and not the other way around. That's why I still think the Finals MVP shoulda gone to Duncan last year, even if his stats weren't as good as Parker's.Tony Parker was also pretty horrible...I don’t know if he’s hurt or he just depends on Duncan a lot but hasn’t had a quality game since Duncan has been out.
The same could be said for every penetrating point guard in the league, though. Very few players can dominate without a post-presence if they dive into the lane frequently.
No mention of Udoka's defense?
So Parker is only a good player because of Duncan ?
Let's see what Parker do with Duncan and without Duncan (stats per 40 minutes) :
Parker in 06-07 :
With Duncan :
2155 minutes
FGA : 16.9
FG% : .524
FTA : 5.3
Ast : 6.8
TO : 3.1
Points : 22.2
Without Duncan :
343 minutes
FGA : 21.3
FG% : .494
FTA : 7.5
Ast : 6.1
TO : 3.1
Points : 27.4
Parker in 05-06 :
With Duncan :
2138 minutes
FGA : 16.4
FG% : .564
FTA : 4.5
Ast : 6.4
TO : 3.4
Points : 21.7
Without Duncan :
573 minutes
FGA : 18.3
FG% : .488
FTA : 8.3
Ast : 8.3
TO : 4.8
Points : 24.5
Without Duncan, Parker carry more the offensive load and lost some efficiency but it's not a disaster. It's about the same thing concerning Manu with or without Duncan.
Truth is that, Duncan or not, Parker and Manu are great players. Haters can just STFU.
Last edited by Bruno; 12-12-2007 at 12:57 PM. Reason: typo
I agree that Parker and Ginobili were horrible last night, but I thought their apparent "lack of effort" was more out of frustration with the offense than just don't give a tonight. Maybe because of the line-up, I don't know, but the spacing stunk, there was no where to go, guys were not in position to receive a pass when they did get stuck....leading to turnovers, etc. etc., overall a very very poor offensive scheme.
Maybe it was the fact that he really didn't have anyone to compete with on the team, so he was able to play more freely...just a thought. Duncan was out; Gino, Parker, and pretty much everyone else was having an awful showing.
It's kind of like having nothing to lose, so you go all out.
Whatever it was, I'm so glad he had an awesome game! I get tired of all the Bonner hate on this board.
The Spurs are following the typical pattern after a team loses its star. The first few games are overachievement and unexpected success. Guys "step up" as they say and optimism prevails. Then the wall -- like the bumblebee who finally realizes that science says he can't fly. Guys like Bonner start leading the team in scoring and rebounding (and that's not a good sign, it's a bad sign). I wouldn't expect much success from here until Duncan gets back.
I think this game is more about coaches than players. Nelson won the 1st half, and Pop won the 2nd half. Overall, warriors won this game, but we will win future games.
First of all, Finley's increases in those categories weren't that big. Second of all, 90% of Finley's value lies in his shooting. It's not like he can help the team in other areas on a consistent basis.
Ginobili on the other hand can go scoreless and still do enough to help the Spurs win.
Good point. That is usually how it goes when a team loses its star. Short term overachieving followed by reality.
Udoka's defense was really good for the most part. The two times he was slow on rotations to shooters, the shooters ended up missing the shots anyways. His defense on Baron Davis was really good and showed promise for the future. If he, like Bowen, can defender multiple positions, that'd make him much more valuable in the future.
As far as this game, the numbers back up Udoka playing good defense:
Points Allowed Per 48 Minutes
I. Udoka 78.0
M. Finley 84.7
R. Horry 90.4
M. Bonner 92.3
F. Oberto 93.8
J. Vaughn 94.6
T. Parker 95.5
F. Elson 98.8
B. Bowen 102.1
B. Barry 107.5
M. Ginobili 107.8
The numbers also highlight the amazingly poor defensive effort displayed by Ginobili.
Good thing I didn't attend this game, I would have been harrased so badly. People from Oakland are savages.
Pop gave the Warriors that game to move them up in the stanings. That way there is a greater probability they will play the Mavs in the first round.
or basically go scoreless, turn the ball over, and help them lose.
I'm not a huge Finley fan...thing was he did start off well, but then he sat forever...I thought Pop left him on the bench way to long. Hard to regain your shooting stroke after you sit for 25min.
the problem with the spurs is they thought duncan would play then he did not
they played like they thought duncan would have played
know pop saying he will not play against lakers spurs will know what they have to do
ps spurs with duncan suck with long days off
This game reminded me of game one versus Denver last year - no energy, seemingly no desire whatsoever to play basketball. The difference that day was that Duncan was also playing and looked like he should retire.
I am annoyed that we got handled so easily by the Warriors, but not worried. This was a natural let-down game. If they play like this again tomorrow I will start to worry a bit, but I think the moral of the story is that you bet against the Spurs after three or more days of rest!
Stephen Jackson would not let them lose this game. It is ok to give ex Spurs a few wins. Beno and Sjax will not be able to do that n a 7 game series
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