Calderon crushing Dallas: Mavs down by 18 at the half

[dknights411]

Just out of curiosity, when will Mav fans call for Cuban to pull the Kidd trade?

[Mr. Body]

Raptors have more talent than the Mavericks do right now. Mavs may have the top two players or so, but Toronto has more guys that can impact a game. Especially with Dirk playing miserable ball, at least for his level, the Mavs really aren't that great.

I wonder if a shake-up is in order, if they'll rescue themselves from the doldrums. Suddenly their future doesn't look so bright, with aging Terry and Stackhouse, a weak bench, Harris already having hit his ceiling, and Howard the better player over Nowitzki. I wonder if Chicago might be interested in a trade?

[Dalhoop]

I think they are an up and comming team, they have some good young talent. Hate to see Ford out again ... I think he needs to retire before the he ends up paralyzed.

The Mavs offense without Harris .... Bad ... like REALY BAD. The defense is improving though, good game for the Mavs.

All you hates can celebrate a Mavs loss and thats fine with me. The Defense has been really bad but they held the Raptors to 43% and 37% ... The offense ... well its a little hard to judge without your PG ... I can live with this loss ... If we would have allowed the raptors to shot 60% then it would have been a bad loss.

[Dalhoop]

I think that Bass is causing a few problem with the Mavs. Dirk is not a center and his play suffers when he plays center. Well, when the put Bass in the game, it has been at PF and Dirk slides to Center ... We get some good scoring with Bass, but Dirks game suffers.

So we can go with Dampier or Diop and hardly any scoring, or Bass and get scoring but throw everything out of whack.

Another problem is injuries.

We were very lucky with injuries last year, this year its a different story. Dampier missed the first month and Harris has been in and out of the line-up ... You can't have that with your starting center and PG ... Of course Avery wants Jones to start at SG, and this was effectively his first game of the season.

It is just taking time for the team to gel and actually play together. I don't see a trade on the horizon.

[Dirkgreatness]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?

[Mr. Body]

I can't believe Devin Harris is worth 20 points against Toronto. He's a great defender but on offense is not terribly good. The breakdown in the offense is not because of his absence.

[DallasFan]

Calderon is very underratted.

Dirk Nowitski very overrated...SHHH.Don't tell Dr. Buss in LA though...

Man, I really hate watching this piece of sh_t team this year..they really do suck! I hope they lose the rest of their games...they need to be disassembled.

[Findog]

Just out of curiosity, when will Mav fans call for Cuban to pull the Kidd trade?

If it's a package centered around Devin, I'm all about that.

[Findog]

and Howard the better player over Nowitzki.

[ShoogarBear]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?

*chortle*

[Shank]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

[ShoogarBear]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December and to the Spurs without Duncan and drop their record to 14-9, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December without Tim Duncan and are still 17-4, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

Fixed.

[Mr. Body]

When the Mavs lose to the Raptors in December, it's time to panic and the Mavs blow.
When the Spurs lose to the Warriors in December, it's just a regular season game and guys played poorly.

A game of hangman, shall we? I'll spot you two letters:

D _ _ _ _ N

[ShoogarBear]

FWIW, I think the problem is the Mavs have swung the pendulum too far away from last year in the name of experimentation, and eventually Avery will realize that.

[Shank]

A game of hangman, shall we? I'll spot you two letters:

D _ _ _ _ N

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? all that.

[td4mvp21]

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? all that.

Don't you get it? We're always right.

[Shank]

Don't you get it? We're always right.

So I've heard

[td4mvp21]

So I've heard

There is a bit (maybe a little more) of hypocrisy involved, but there is something noticeably wrong with the Mavs and I don't think even Mavs fans will deny it. I don't really think theres reason to panic though, plenty of time for them to turn things around.

[BonnerDynasty]

Oh, so THAT'S the official stance. A win was guaranteed with Duncan playing last night, even if Manu and Parker were to play that awfully again. Who's to say Bonner does what he did if Duncan were in there? all that.

Exactly.




Bonner would have had 25 17 10 instead.

[ploto]

I love Jose but he actually did not have a strong game tonight. The difference was the big guys and their very high FG % and the good job they did defensively on Dirk. I think the Mavs have started to think they can coast and flip the switch.

For the Raptors, it is first and foremost about finally having Bosh back healthy for the first time all season and the nice showing these past 3 games with him back.

Just in time, too, as the Raptors next week head out on an awful 7 game West coast swing-- 3 sets of back-to-backs-- and a break in the middle for Christmas.

Tue 18 @ LA Clippers
Wed 19 @ Portland
Fri 21 @ Seattle
Sat 22 @ Phoenix
Fri 28 @ San Antonio
Sat 29 @ Houston
Mon 31 @ New Orleans

[Dalhoop]

Why does Avery continue to play smallball?

He wants offense from the center position. To do that he needs to bring in Bass.

I can't believe Devin Harris is worth 20 points against Toronto. He's a great defender but on offense is not terribly good. The breakdown in the offense is not because of his absence.

13 ppg and 5 apg, mathmatically thats about 23 points. If you watch the Mavs with Harris on the floor as opposed to when Terry is at the point it's like watching two different teams. With Terry the offense is very stagnate, with harris its drive and kick to the open man.

Terry drives but only so he can stop and do a step back jumper, Harris drives for a layup and your there kicks the ball out .... Two different team.

If it's a package centered around Devin, I'm all about that.

Devin and a filler, but not a whole lot more.

[SAtown]

lolz

sincerely,

Amarelooms

[RonMexico]

Watching the Mavs play makes me feel better about the Suns dropping 2 against Minny and the Heat.

[Mr. Body]

Devin and a filler, but not a whole lot more.

For Kidd? You seriously think Devin Harris is that good, don't you?

[Findog]

FWIW, I think the problem is the Mavs have swung the pendulum too far away from last year in the name of experimentation, and eventually Avery will realize that.

Actually I think they're fatally flawed, and their best chance to win a le with this group has come and gone.

If I'm the Mavs, Dirk and Howard are untouchable and the rest of the team is expendable. I'd give away spares like George or Hassell, whereas I'd try to get something for Harris or Terry.

I read somewhere that Harris can't be included easily in a deal for Kidd. I'm guessing his extension doesn't kick in until next year and they can't make it work, salary-cap wise? NJ would get a young PG to try out, they'd be free of the rest of their financial commitment to Kidd, since they're going nowhere, while the Mavs would get the PG they desperately need, someone who can create for others, is battle-tested when it comes to the playoffs, doesn't need to be kept on a leash by Avery, and isn't a total matador on d. Unless they can get a third team involved, I don't see how they could end up with Kidd.

As I see it, Dirk/Howard make up a very good forward tandem, but the guards and bigs on this team are flawed and not a good fit. Dampier and Diop give us rebounds, blocks, and defend the Duncans and Dwight Howards of the League as well as anybody. They don't bring any low-post scoring, unfortunately, so we play 4 on 5 on offense and a lack of consistent points from the low blocks means on bad nights this team locks into settling for jumpers.

Our guards are either a tweener (Jet) or a guy who can slash to the hoop and is a decent perimeter defender, but he has no outside shot, he can't break down a defense or create for others. Stackhouse, Hassell, Eddie Jones, Devean George, all old guys in a league that prizes athleticism.

Good meat (Dirk/Howard) but lousy bread (Centers and guards). That makes for a lousy sandwich. Dampier and Diop, one of them has to go to make room for a center that can score points on the low blocks. They just duplicate each other's strengths and don't shore up the other's weaknesses. Diop is a RFA this summer and I bet somebody will make him a ridiculous offer that Dallas can't in good conscience match. I'd prefer to let Dampier go because he's older, suckier and steals more money, but they might have to go with him since they can't move that contract.

Jet would make a fantastic Vinnie Johnson-type off the bench but you don't want him running your offense. I absolutely DO NOT give up Josh Howard if that's what New Jersey asks for. They can have Devin Harris and a bad contract, I wouldn't do anything else.