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    First off, it was nice to see Tim Duncan back out on the court. It’s easy to take him for granted and forget how much easier he makes the game for everyone around him.
    This was all that mattered to me last night.
    Everything else was secondary.

    I thought Duncan moved well for the time he missed. He was heavily taped, more than usual, but I didn't notice him moving "painfully slow at times" as you say. I'll watch it again to see what I missed. I'm sure you're right and I didn't notice it.
    Duncan's presence on the court and with his team makes so much impact I don't know where to start. His stats mean nothing to me at this moment. He will work back in and it will fall into place.

    It was wonderful to see Oberto and Finley go off. Oberto has the knack of being in the right place under the glass, those offensive rebounds and tip outs are one of my favorite parts of his game.

    Finley felt it. I hope it happens more often and I really hope he's got something in him by the playoffs.

    I thought Barry was our x factor last night. Like you said, he stuck his nose in there and competed. He kept us in it in the early going when it could have gotten ugly, uglier, and the Nuggets could have run away with it early.

    Vaughn took a lot of in the game blog, especially early. But I thought his hustle was to be commended. He may not be what people want him to be but last night I didn't think he hurt us and I like the hustle. That energy will always make good things happen for a team.

    As always, love your thoughts. Thanks for giving us your time and energy to do them.

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    Maybe if Bonner played some defense and didn't always hesitate to shoot he'd play more.

    After that pitiful performance in L.A. he didn't deserve to play last night.

    confidence, 3 mil a year is confidence.
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    I'm not nearly as happy with Vaughn's play this year as last. He seems to be trying to do WAY too much, and ing up a LOT of possessions. If we're going to have a backup PG who's going to dribble the clock out and then try to create something, ing plug Darius in right now. Vaughn isn't talented enough to pull that one off.

    At this point last season Vaughn sucked 10 times worse than he does now...

    This is not to say he doesn't suck right now...because he does....but he also didn't have a training camp and is still playing his way into shape and knocking off the rust.

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    Elson’s way of honoring Camby

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    Maybe if Bonner played some defense and didn't always hesitate to shoot he'd play more.

    After that pitiful performance in L.A. he didn't deserve to play last night.

    confidence, 3 mil a year is confidence.
    He played a total of 16 ing minutes and had 2FGAs. How many times have we watched Fin put up brick after ing brick and stay on the floor?

    And another thing, if that had been Beno on the floor performing like Vaughn played the first quarter, he would have been yanked and benched for the rest of the year.

    I for one am damn tired of watching Vaughn try to be a dribbler until the shot clock is down to 2 seconds and then either put up a brick or pass it to someone who has about a second to get a shot off. I don't give a damn if he "hustles" so much he gets rebounds while sitting on the floor on his ass, this guy does not help our offense. It becomes stagnant while everyone stands and watches him dribble. Maybe he thinks he can become another AI. Well, he can't, not that I would even want him too. I think AI kills a lot of offensive possessions for the Nuggets the same way.

    If Washington isn't the guy to replace Vaughn, then they need to find someone who can.

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    Manu is streaky (great example last playoffs - he was cold until the middle of the Suns series, then hot as ), and it makes sense when you think about the energy it must have cost him to get 37 two nights in a row. With Tim, and now TP out, he's had to play a lot harder and basically become "the man".

    He'll be back in form soon enough.
    I hope so because he was attrocious this week, and killed me on my fantasy squad. Hopefully an up and down run and gun affair against the Suns will kickstart him this week.

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    At this point last season Vaughn sucked 10 times worse than he does now...

    This is not to say he doesn't suck right now...because he does....but he also didn't have a training camp and is still playing his way into shape and knocking off the rust.
    You expect that in year one. You don't expect him to forget everything about this offense and turn into Steve Francis. He's taken a huge step backwards from late last year and the playoffs, and I'm calling his talentless ass out.

    Jacques, bring the ball up the court, give it to a talented player, and move to get open for the jumper you KNOW they're going to give you. Don't do anything else on offense. D up. That is all.

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    I can't find my ass with two hands and a magnifying glass forum.

    I'm not nearly as happy with Vaughn's play this year as last. He seems to be trying to do WAY too much, and ing up a LOT of possessions. If we're going to have a backup PG who's going to dribble the clock out and then try to create something, ing plug Darius in right now. Vaughn isn't talented enough to pull that one off.
    The thing I've noticed this year is that the Spurs don't seem to change the offense when Vaughn is playing. They're running the same plays as if TP was still in there. I don't understand why, but I'm not sure Vaughn doing all that dribbling and taking all those shots is completely his fault.

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    -Matt Bonner was victim of a classic Pop DNP-CD. After starting two consecutive games, Bonner didn’t get off the bench for the Spurs tonight. It’s tough to blame the coaching staff though because last game against the Lakers Bonner put up a goose egg when he could have really made a case for himself in terms of getting minutes in the rotation.
    i don't get why he hasn't played the garbage time. Even when Elson was injured Pop put back Oberto instead of using Bonner.
    Maybe Bonner was injured or Pop wanting to send him a message.
    The crazy theory is that a trade is in the block with him. Tomorrow is the first day where he can be traded.

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    The thing I've noticed this year is that the Spurs don't seem to change the offense when Vaughn is playing. They're running the same plays as if TP was still in there. I don't understand why, but I'm not sure Vaughn doing all that dribbling and taking all those shots is completely his fault.
    Yeah, I think it's some early-season experimentation by Pop to see if there are ways to maximize Jacque's offensive potential.

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    Yeah, I think it's some early-season experimentation by Pop to see if there are ways to maximize Jacque's offensive potential.
    If that's true, then Pop's ego has gotten out of control.

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    Yeah, I think it's some early-season experimentation by Pop to see if there are ways to maximize Jacque's offensive potential.
    Another NVE experiment, no doubt. We all know how that worked out.

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    Jacques Vaughn's offensive potential was maximized at KU. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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    Another NVE experiment, no doubt.
    That doesn't make any sense.

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    That doesn't make any sense.
    Well they've done research you know. 60% of the time it works every time.

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    Another NVE experiment, no doubt. We all know how that worked out.
    If it turns out, as most of us suspect, that Vaughn is offensively-challenged, we all know that Vaughn can do enough -- not make mistakes and provide at least some relatively high level of defensive ability -- to help the Spurs to win playoff games (or at least do enough to not make the Spurs lose playoff games).

    The improvement over Van Exel in last year's playoffs was, I thought, rather clear. I'd argue that had Jacque Vaughn played for the Spurs in 2006, we'd be talking about the possibility of a three-peat.

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    If it turns out, as most of us suspect, that Vaughn is offensively-challenged, we all know that Vaughn can do enough -- not make mistakes and provide at least some relatively high level of defensive ability -- to help the Spurs to win playoff games (or at least do enough to not make the Spurs lose playoff games).

    The improvement over Van Exel in last year's playoffs was, I thought, rather clear. I'd argue that had Jacque Vaughn played for the Spurs in 2006, we'd be talking about the possibility of a three-peat.

    last year, he was doing quite well filling in for tony. this year, someone has to remind him of his job description and that the job of lead point is already taken.

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    Vaughn reminds me so much of Avery. Took years for Avery to develop that ugly shot with any consistency. Vaughn's shot looks better. He's not much of a penetrate/dish kinda guy, more of a "dribble to the top of the key, and give to Manu" type of guy. If he does that, and plays good D, I can live with him as a backup.

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