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Saddam wanted nukes. Past tense. And where did I say "theyre afraid we'll nuke em"? I didnt. No, nuclear arms are more a deterrent than anything else. If it was the US's goal to invade and depose Iran, you dont think the WH would seriously reconsider knowing they had nukes? Tell me, whens the last time we went to war with a nuclear power?
I never lied to myself. I was putting myself in their shoes. Obviously, the new US foreign policy of "preemptive war" is a boon to the third world. Especially those rich in natural resource.
So, if I were a third world country (ie N.Korea, Iran, etc), I would be looking for a way to elimnate the West's ability to bully me.
What rich natural resource does n korea have?
Infact natural resource is not the common denominator here. Despots, are.
There is only one way to do that. Nuclear arms.
Sure, there is the added benefit of being able to strongarm your neighbors, but its a better question to ask "What incentive does Iran have NOT to aquire nuclear arms?"
Joining the civilized world, equal trading partners, respectable powerbrokers to the middle east palestinian conflict.
They dont have one, except for UN sanctions, possible invasion....look how that turned out for Iraq (Oil for Food, subsequent overthrow).
My underlying point to the quandry is certainly not some compassion for Iran/N.Korea, so much as it is an exercise in seeing it from the other side.
The otherside being from only one person's perspective, Kim Jong Ill, because his people would rather have food on the table rather than nuclear arms.
Two, Iran was never threatened by israel from the beggining. Iran was the one threatening Israel to their extinction. Iran's main purpose for nuclear weapons is to strong arm the israelis into submitting land since they're already nicking them with hezbollah. It's quite obvious Iran is not pursuing nucleur weapons for defense, especially since it is in their best interest to become the main power in the ME who got rid of the zionist prescence, and took back the holy land for Shia Islam.
Its quite obvious most Americans cant do that. We think because we're so bad-ass that when we say jump, the 3rd world wannabes ask how high.
Except for that whole cold war thing, when you had those 3rd world countries assasinating innocents into bringing in revolution by Soviet assistance, and we were actually were in danger of losing our whole South American continent to Soviet influenced communism, that's before Reagan took over, even then, GHW bush used the UN and wanted to defer policing to the UN.
So, maybe you're not being serious.
When in reality, they have no incentive to follow our mantra. Fine, some here think America is infallible and always right. Wonderful.
We are america. AMerica is not some abstract power or concept. WE want there to be peace, Iran's leadership not under control of a free society wants something else. We happen to enjoy freedoms that we want to partake with the rest of the world. Even after the 2000 elections, we as americans went on with our lives without resorting to civil war. We'd like for the world to solve their differences the same way.
We lost our mission in Vietnam, do you see us sending our children overthere strapped in explosives to terrorize their citizens into submitting to us because we can't handle defeat, no.
We've been through the Veitnam era, we've had slavery, atrocities to the indians.
We no we've been wrong.
Perspective please. Not some insane generalization.
Truth be told, the rest of the world doesnt give a if youre right, or even if theyre wrong. Its a "what have you done for me lately" world, and America has done nothing for Iran. Therefore, if I were Iranian, I'd tell the US to get ed and do what I do. Find willing partners in the anti-US crusade (such as Russia, China).
and likewise. "This what have you done lately for me" at ude does not justify them wanting to pursue nukes to annhilate a race of beings.
Foster those relationships, not the US/UN relationships. Working with the US is more about being a good little vassal moreso than a partnership (at this point). So find others willing to work evenly with you, not publicly threaten your sovereignty.
So now it's between choosing to become the soviet puppet or the american one.
I still don't see you're justification for pursuing nukes here.
If you cant see the Iranian perspective, or any other country's perspective for that matter, then youre quite useless. The days of "America's way or the highway" are in their final years. Using a loose tongue and a tough facade are no way to do business.
I see Almajinaheedhedhadhhadhhd's and his clerics perspective. What perspective outside of destroy israel will the irani people provide if they don't follow the clerics and the Pm's?
That we don't know.
DISCLAIMER: I use "you" in the 3rd person sense, not you particularly Ignignokt.
