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  1. #26
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    The Lakers have a veteran at the point that will give Nash fits on the offensive end. The Suns owned the lakers while Smush parker was the starting point guard. Amare will constantly be in foul trouble trying to defend Bynum and the lakers bigs in the paint. The Suns have a good team but not one that I, as a lakers fan would be afraid to face in the playoffs. I feel pretty good about a win versues that team and now we have bad blood brewing between the two teams. Would be a very nice series either way.

    Can't wait till Christmas Day!
    Honestly, if I were the Suns, I'd be very scared of the Lakers. They have a the perfect weapon to combat the Suns in Bynum. The guy plays physical, which we all know that Amare backs down from physical play, he's a beast on the boards, as we all know that the Suns are a TERRIBLE rebounding team, and he scores inside easily to slow the game down. Those are the three ways to beat the Suns, and he is the key to all three of them. Not to mention that have that Kobe guy running around scoring 30-40 a night on them...

    If they met in the playoffs, I'd take the Lakers in 5, even though the Suns have the better and more talented basketball team. I see the Lakers being the Suns kryptonite, much like the Warriors were the Mavericks kryptonite.

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    There is a poll going on right now asking are the Lakers legit. Right now, 89% think that they are.

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    Andrew Bynum is playing better than Dwight Howard.
    Care to back that up, Jeff? Or are you going to puss out and go to band practice instead?

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    There is a poll going on right now asking are the Lakers legit. Right now, 89% think that they are.
    I think the Lakers are very legit. IMO, they are a top 4 team in the west, along with the Spurs, Mavs, and Suns. I don't see them being able to get past the Mavs or Spurs just yet, but they will definitely beat the Suns (because of the matchup problems they bring to the table against them)

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    Honestly, if I were the Suns, I'd be very scared of the Lakers. They have a the perfect weapon to combat the Suns in Bynum. The guy plays physical, which we all know that Amare backs down from physical play, he's a beast on the boards, as we all know that the Suns are a TERRIBLE rebounding team, and he scores inside easily to slow the game down. Those are the three ways to beat the Suns, and he is the key to all three of them. Not to mention that have that Kobe guy running around scoring 30-40 a night on them...

    If they met in the playoffs, I'd take the Lakers in 5, even though the Suns have the better and more talented basketball team. I see the Lakers being the Suns kryptonite, much like the Warriors were the Mavericks kryptonite.
    I agree! The Lakers are too big and athletic for the Suns, imo

    edit: except for the part about the mavs

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    I agree! The Lakers are too big and athletic for the Suns, imo
    I won't say that they are more athletic, its hard to measure up to them in terms of athleticism when they have guys like Marion, Barbosa, and Stoudemire. But they present extreme matchup issues, and have matured enough to get past them finally. That was the reason they couldn't beat them the past 2 years. They had no maturity. They had them down 3-1, and found a way to blow it. If the Suns go down big like that again, against the Lakers, they will not be able to climb out of such a hole.

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    I won't say that they are more athletic, its hard to measure up to them in terms of athleticism when they have guys like Marion, Barbosa, and Stoudemire. But they present extreme matchup issues, and have matured enough to get past them finally. That was the reason they couldn't beat them the past 2 years. They had no maturity. They had them down 3-1, and found a way to blow it. If the Suns go down big like that again, against the Lakers, they will not be able to climb out of such a hole.
    They're definitely too BIG and Athletic for the suns. The suns are an athletic group but not big by any means.

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    Care to back that up, Jeff? Or are you going to puss out and go to band practice instead?
    Dwight Howard is a fluke this and every year
    Isnt that right SD?

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    Thank god the chronic supply has not run out in Los Angeles.

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    I remember this Laker rhetoric last year after the Suns lost to them on opening night.........

    Not too worried.

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    I remember this Laker rhetoric last year after the Suns lost to them on opening night.........

    Not too worried.
    Last year is history, along with Smush parker, Brian cook and Maurice evans. This season it's Derek Fisher, Ariza and an improved and healthy bench.

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    I actually agree with you Spursdynasty....except the part about Howard being less of player than Bynum..still bynum is only 20 to Howard's 22.....Oh and Bynum is only 10 days older than OJ mayo....interesting indeed.

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    Derek Fisher and Ariza are gonna make the difference between a 4-1 series loss and a victory?

    Two weeks ago the Lakers were 9-8 and everyone was saying they were done.

    They go on a 6-1 run (one of which was against San Antonio without Duncan and Parker that they nearly lost) and now you want to say they're contenders?

    Again...not too worried. Whats the Lakers record against the Suns since Nash came back to Phoenix?

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    Care to back that up, Jeff? Or are you going to puss out and go to band practice instead?
    Andrew Bynum gets 10 boards in only 27 minutes.
    Dwight Howard gets 15 boards in 38 minutes.

    Bynum has a higher free throw percentage.
    Bynum has less turnovers per game.
    Bynum averages less personal fouls a game.

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    I'm not saying the Lakers are even a top 4 West team yet, but they're becoming a real team again.

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    [QUOTE=da_suns_fan]Derek Fisher and Ariza are gonna make the difference between a 4-1 series loss and a victory?

    Two weeks ago the Lakers were 9-8 and everyone was saying they were done.

    They go on a 6-1 run (one of which was against San Antonio without Duncan and Parker that they nearly lost) and now you want to say they're contenders?

    Again...not too worried. Whats the Lakers record against the Suns since Nash came back to Phoenix?[/QUOTE]

    I don't know, what's their record against the suns since Fishers return to LA?

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    Andrew Bynum gets 10 boards in only 27 minutes.
    Dwight Howard gets 15 boards in 38 minutes.

    Bynum has a higher free throw percentage.
    Bynum has less turnovers per game.
    Bynum averages less personal fouls a game.
    So your knock against Howard is that he averages only 5 more rebounds in more minutes.
    Then your reasoning behind Bynum playing better is that he fouls less and has less turnovers. That has nothing to do with minutes right?
    And what about their points? Howard is around 24 and Bynum is around 11. What excuse do you have for that?

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    Derek Fisher and Ariza are gonna make the difference between a 4-1 series loss and a victory?
    I don't think the Lakers are all of a sudden contenders, but the vast improvements of Farmar and Bynum as well as the more consistent integration of Vujacic and Radmanovic into the rotations would be factors to look at more so than the additions of Fisher and Ariza if there is a difference.

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    I don't know, what's their record against the suns since Fishers return to LA?
    Its 1-0.

    The same record they had against the Suns at this point last year. Yet the Lakers ended up going 2-7 against the Suns last year.

    Excuse for not taking them more seriously. I didn't realize that Derek Fisher was such an impact player.

    I still don't see how the Lakers could beat the Suns, Spurs or Mavs FOUR times. Theres just no way.

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    Its 1-0.

    The same record they had against the Suns at this point last year. Yet the Lakers ended up going 2-7 against the Suns last year.

    Excuse for not taking them more seriously. I didn't realize that Derek Fisher was such an impact player.

    I still don't see how the Lakers could beat the Suns, Spurs or Mavs FOUR times. Theres just no way.
    Last season has no bearing on this season. The lakers went 2-7 against the suns with Smush Parker at the point. Enough said!

    The spurs will be a problem for the lakers but the mavs and suns are overrated!

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    Well I respectfully disagree. The Mavs are definitely not worthy of discussion in this.
    That's debatable. The Lakers certainly aren't. Dallas is +4 when it comes to Road Wins/Home Losses, LA is +2. Mavs are 17-9 despite having played like total crap for large swaths of the season so far. Dallas is better than the Lakers. Period.

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    Andrew Bynum gets 10 boards in only 27 minutes.
    Dwight Howard gets 15 boards in 38 minutes.

    Bynum has a higher free throw percentage.
    Bynum has less turnovers per game.
    Bynum averages less personal fouls a game.
    Howard plays more minutes, thus has to pace himself more and has to battle fatigue more.

    Howard scores around 12-13 more ppg.
    Howard shoots a higher percentage.
    Howard gets to the line about 10 more times a game, thus proving he is far more feared by opposing teams.
    Howard averages more steals.
    Howard averages more blocks.
    Howard leads the league in efficiency rating, as Bynum is all the way down at #34.
    Howard is second among true qualifiers in efficiency per 48 minutes.

    For those of you who say his stats are empty because he is in the East... he is also the efficiency leader in the entire league against only Western Conference teams.

    Want me to pull up any more stats?

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    Mavs are 17-9 despite having played like total crap for large swaths of the season so far.
    The fact you acknowledge the Mavs have been playing like crap actually doesn't help your argument.

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    The fact you acknowledge the Mavs have been playing like crap actually doesn't help your argument.
    They've also had stretches where they've played very good basketball. They've had one of the toughest schedules so far and they've ed around, yet here it is, six weeks into the season, and they're only 2 games out of the top seed in the West. And pretty much all observers have agreed that they haven't come close to playing up to their potential.

    If I had to bet, I wouldn't pick Dallas to win a le this year. I would only risk my money on San Antonio or Boston. But the Mavs, Pistons and Suns all have a decent outside shot if they can get a few breaks here or there. They deserve to be in the conversation. The Lakers don't.

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    The fact you acknowledge the Mavs have been playing like crap actually doesn't help your argument.
    Having a tough schedule like they have, and having played terribly by their standards, and still barely being behind San Antonio for the #1 seed in the west is pretty good. I can't wait to see how they will look when they actually get in sync, and play like they are capable of playing.

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