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    By the way, cbf and pimpo, if you are mad because of what I said, take it up with your fellow countrymen.

    They care less than me who is in power governing you guys. Or why else do you think only 20-25% of the population votes?
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    Damn, maybe I should pay attention now that we have less than a year to go before the election.

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    Why do you pussies get mad when somebody tells you the truth?

    Things change very little in America when governemnts change color, wether you like it or not.

    You think that the average American is much worse off today with Bush than what he was 10 yerars ago with Clinton?
    I remember when I said some abour Argentina you went off like a rabid chiuauah. Glass houses, Smeagol.

    And you're very wrong as well.

    My life has been incredibly different because of who is in office.

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    Who cares who wins the election . . . things are always pretty much the same in the US anyways, regardless who is in power.
    No they aren't.


    They care less than me who is in power governing you guys. Or why else do you think only 20-25% of the population votes?
    That's not the reason only 25% of people vote. Some people don't vote because they are lazy. But many people also don't vote because the choices suck. For example in the Bush/Gore election, the majority of people I know didn't vote because they didn't want either of them. I know you are going to say then get better people nominated, blahblah. It's not that easy, considering only the people with lots of money have a chance to get nominated. And the people with lots of money are not usually the best choices.

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    Argentina has the hottest women in the world. i'll protect your country smeagol.

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    i don't know about him. he sounds good, but i don't know if what he wants will actually go thru and pass the congress. there's no way in he'll get in if he wants to get rid of the FBI, IRS, and DOE among others and make that all known up front. i hope he holds true to what he said that he's only running as a republican and not an independent. if he does, then we'll have our first for a president. if that happens than God help us all.

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    imo, Paul is the best candidate with a chance...by far.

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    An honest man with integrity has no business running the government people. I will never trust someone like that to run the US of A. It'll suck. See Carter, Jimmy.


    Governments aren't meant to be run by completely honest people...they are too naive and trusting...it takes a dishonest person to know a dishonest person and you need them to keep the really dishonest people out. That sound may sound contradictory...but it really is the way it is.


    Partially corrupt people accountable to their citizenry are definitely the way to go...the ones that are corrupt enough to know and understand the corrupt motives of others...but still have enough of a conscience to not be completely corrupt themselves....plus they'll want the legacy of being a great leader, so you can trust them to do certain beneficial things.


    You people that think a trustworthy government is possible scare the out of me.




    There's never been one in history...there never will be one in history.


    And the guys who seem completely trustworthy and honest are hard enough to trust as it is...

    I personally never trust anyone that tells me they never lie...because that's a huge lie.

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    I expect Ron Paul to win.......as representative of victoria Tx and it's affiliates.


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    I remember when I said some abour Argentina you went off like a rabid chiuauah. Glass houses, Smeagol.

    You made a joke, which had bad taste written all over it, about the Malvinas/Falklands war.


    My life has been incredibly different because of who is in office.
    And this is exclusevley because of how Clinton and Bush governed the country?

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    You lament that nothing in America seems to change as a result of getting new leaders in power.

    Seems to me that you are advocating for a highly centralized, top-down hierarchical system of government. Furthermore, in the context of the presidential election, which is what this thread is about, seems to me you are advocating particularly for such a system to be headed by a strong, authoritarian leader.

    Making you a fascist.


    Fail. One more time. Go post in the increase your postcount thread

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    I expect Ron Paul to win.......as representative of victoria Tx and it's affiliates.


    bukkakes.

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    Rawfl!
    you're doing well.

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    You made a joke, which had bad taste written all over it, about the Malvinas/Falklands war.
    Make any justifcations and clarfications you want but the point stands that if you make comments about a person's country they may not like be prepared to deal with the reaction.


    And this is exclusevley because of how Clinton and Bush governed the country?
    You never said anything about exclusevity. Don't go and change your stance now because you may have realized how stupid of a blanket statement you made. I don't even understand how you're trying to defend that who the president is doesn't make a difference in the lives of Americans. Thats beyond ridiculous Smeagol.

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    Can I have some of that herb you're smoking Smeagol?

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    Make any justifcations and clarfications you want but the point stands that if you make comments about a person's country they may not like be prepared to deal with the reaction.
    No justifications. Just reminding you what had happened way back when you made your "joke". Actually, you even appologized for it. No reason for me to appologize, unless you feel deeply offended due to what I said.

    Actually, if you think about it, what I said is a compliment to your country. The US has reached such a level of development, its governement has to really be screw things up to affect its citizens' way of life (see Jimmy Carter).

    Come down to Argentina and you'll get a taste of how the government affects you dramatically with every little decision they takes. i.e., every year, these ers create a new tax. Imagine trying to go through life with one or two ammendments to the tax law every year.


    You never said anything about exclusevity.
    Well, it is obvious that that is what I meant. If you were a college boy during the Clinton days, and you are in the 30s today, working through your second or third job, it is obvious your life has changed.

    But it has nothing to do with who is in power.

    Don't go and change your stance now because you may have realized how stupid of a blanket statement you made.
    Again, it is a compliment to the US economy, not a stupid blanket statement. And for the mayority of it's population it is true (it might not be for you, or Kori).

    Again, explain to me why you are better off today than in the 90s (or vice versa) because of what Clinton or Bush did or did not do.

    I don't even understand how you're trying to defend that who the president is doesn't make a difference in the lives of Americans.
    In general terms, it doesn't. Change in the US takes long because of the level of maturity it's economic and political system enjoys.

    Thats beyond ridiculous Smeagol.
    I disagree, Manuel. You have your POV and I have mine.

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    Can I have some of that herb you're smoking Smeagol?
    It's calle mate. And you drink it.

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    Dude - seriously?

    Do i really need to outline changes to my life simply based on who is in power for you to understand how ridiculous your statement is?

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    Dude - seriously?

    Do i really need to outline changes to my life simply based on who is in power for you to understand how ridiculous your statement is?

    Well, you are the one that made the claim, now back it up.

    You don't have to tell anyone what color you crapped a week ago, but you should back up what you're saying.

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    Dude - seriously?

    Do i really need to outline changes to my life simply based on who is in power for you to understand how ridiculous your statement is?
    Be my guest.

    I was in the States during the latter Clinton years and most of the Bush administration. I saw no major differences, as many of other Americans working around me.

    My claim is that it does not change for the majorty of Americans.

    Maybe you are part of the minority.

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    THe major change manny experienced was not having enough money to tip the pizza man during the bush years.

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    Smeagol does'nt know anything. Now, children go without healthcare thanks to Bush.

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    Things always change under a new president. Always.

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    LOL@ smeagol...

    I want to thank you for getting these guys to defend their country...well done. Just sort of warms my heart. Would you mind mixing in some of your anti-war sentiment with your anti-american rhetoric and see if we can make some progress on that front? Thanks, in advance.

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    These guys? I always defend my country and have proudly. Thank ya, thank ya very much.

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    LOL@ smeagol...

    I want to thank you for getting these guys to defend their country...well done.
    You're welcome


    Would you mind mixing in some of your anti-war sentiment with your anti-american rhetoric and see if we can make some progress on that front? Thanks, in advance.
    Point me to my anti-american rhetoric.

    Thanks in advance.

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