I didn't say he was worthless.
To a point yes.evidenced ?? vs LA. clippers!!
Ime Udoka, Michael Finley stepped up and did fine.
I didn't say the guy was worthless, just that hes the easiest of the big three to replace.
You do realize that Manu was the points leader on the Spurs thus far in this season, before having a few bad games recently (due to injury)? With limited minutes, high efficiency, not to mention numerous articles talking about how he's a possible All Star candidate...Manu has been amazing...
Why all the negativity?
My god people its not negativity.
Its just pointing out afact.
If you are to lose one of the big three.
The people prepared to step into their place.
Wich is the best candidate.
Parker?
Duncan?
Ginobili?
Parker replaced by Vaughn
Duncan by Bonner
Ginobili by Finley, Barry, Udoka.
God don't get all hurt guys, its just pointing out a truth.
Im not saying Ginobili sucks or anything so step back from the GD ledge.
Well, you should have been careful in your statement knowing the different warring factions here in spursdom. i get your point. pop should have sat manu from the moment parker returned to lineup to rest that left index finger. now it got injured again. pff. luckily, the rest of the spurs' schedule in december is relatively light and will continue to be so until jan 3 when they play the nuggets.
Fact is: TD likes to play with Eva's toy and hates Ginobili...Tiny Parker played like crap. His big friend TD stepped up unlike the past games
I don't think that manu is the easiest of the big three to replace, there was just so many times when we have all the big three there but it was manu that single handed bring back the games and won in every which manu's way.
of course Finley, Barry, Udoka can scores time to time but can't looked at manu by just the numbers.
Here is the newest quote from Pop about Manu's injury:
"His hand's been bothering him for a long time," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "The X-rays are all negative, but the ligaments are in bad shape. It's like a sprained thumb, sort of. You keep hitting it and hitting it and it never gets healed. ... He's back to square one."
source:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_y...122224&prov=ap
It sounds pretty bad...I have no idea if that will mean he'll miss games...Knowing how Pop doesn't like to take chances, he'll probably miss at least a game or two...
And I was just really excited to get the Big Three back on court at the same time...The team is just not the same when one of them is not playing...
really mad of pop
hope manu NOW can takes a good rest and come back soon
I agree. What Manu does on court can't be completely measured...he has all the intangibles...
If I remember it right; pop kept saying manu was fine after he got injured his fingers and still saying manu is fine even when manu had suffered last few games..is it careless or ignorance
Va-t'en,vous!
Actually, until this year, Parker had been the easiest to replace, historically. The Spurs have won practically every game he's been out injured until this season. Duncan also being out and/or Manu's hand injury didn't help the cause any, for sure.
While I obviously want the Spurs to win every game they play, I agree with the majority of the other posters that you shouldn't assume that just because they won today that the team won't miss Ginobili noticeably. The Clippers at home with their whole club injured is hardly a challenging opponent. I'm surprised the game was as close as it was, even with Manu not playing. If they play and beat Toronto next week without him, that would give more credence to your theory.
Actually, you should have researched.
Historically without Tim Duncan: 24-24
Historically without Tony Parker: 13-12
Historically without Manu Ginobili: 34-18
And no it's not because Parker > Ginobili. It's because Ginobili's backups have historically been much better than Parker's backups. Plus, in general, point guards are harder to replace than shooting guards. That's true on basically every team unless the shooting guard is their franchise player.
It sounds like Manu will be out until his finger is healthy. I had no idea how long it will take, maybe 2 or 3 weeks.
Spurs had a light schedule for now and if Manu is out 2 weeks, he will be back for the first 2008 game against Denver on January 3rd. He will miss only 3 home games against Chicago, Toronto and Memphis.
If Manu needs more than 2 weeks, it will be more problematic for Spurs record. I any case the priority is to be healthy for the playoffs even if the price is not having HCA and having stronger playoffs opponents.
Pop should give them rest in January instead of December.
fire Pop
Did u ever get a small cut on the end of a finger? It's kind of the same thing. Everytime you turn around, u hit it on something, and it starts bleeding again.
I hope we don't see Manu back on the court until 2008. I actually thought Pop might sit him down last night, especially with the Clippers being so decimated.
It's his shooting hand, and it is also affecting his passing. That's why he has been missing so many shots, and having so many turnovers.
Give him a couple of weeks to rehab the thing before we bring him back. It's not like we have a terrible schedule coming up.
ever since then manu had shot about 31%
his hand was bothering him
SIT HIM
Time to sit Manu and rest his finger/hand. But I wouldn't be so hard on Pop. I'm willing to bet that Manu had something to do with it, too. I rarely hear of an athlete who is hurt telling the staff that he's needs to sit and can't play, unless of course it's that obvious. Most likely he told them he was OK and able to play. Manu is such a compe or that I bet you he argued for playing and not sitting. Pop will probably sit him thru December and evaluate Manu come January IMO. That seems to be his pattern when faced with injuries to his players.
Anyway maybe this could get Ime more minutes. He had a very good game last night. I hope he has "turned a corner" and we can see more of this but not expecting that. The Spurs system takes a lot of time to understand and execute properly. New players have had brief periods of good play followed by poor ones. And as tmvp pointed out it is easier to replace a SG rather than a PG or TD(franchise player).
No matter what is happening to the Spurs I try to remember and never lose sight of the fact that this is a marathon and being healthy come March/April is more important than a few wins early on.
Lebron James (10 games missed for a finger injury) forum.....
Ginobili has been playing for a long time with that sprained left finger. All the way from the Portland game in which TD was injured. It is no suprise to see that finger much worse than it orginally was.
I'ts one week if they want to badly rush.
Two weeks on the safe side.
Yup, it seems like Manu had insisted on playing right after the injury. I also think that's the compe or in him...he will play through pain basically...So I don't think Pop is much to blame. I do think he should have sat out on the Clipper game though...:
old article:
Popovich said he rarely relents on such decisions, but he did allow Manu Ginobili to play against Dallas and Utah despite a swollen left (shooting) hand.
“If a player hounds me, I tend to go his way,” Popovich said. “But I need to be hounded first. That really tells me that person is really ready to play and not happy with my decision to not have him play. Manu did that, with his hand.
source:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...n.9220b0c.html
and another old article:
Manu Ginobili's availability was considered a game-time decision for the Spurs tonight against Dallas. That decision has come down.
Ginobili is in.
The Spurs' super sub had been nursing a sore left index finger that kept him out of Tuesday's practice, but he will play tonight. His team can certainly use him, with Tim Duncan already poised to sit with a sprained ankle.
"He was very adamant," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Ginobili. "When a player is that adamant, he's probably ready to go."
At least Ginobili is being smart with his injury. When he was using his Blackberry to send a text message from the locker room before the game, he let his right index finger do the talking.
source:
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...onald_g_4.html
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