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Whott the , I'm flattered you don't have me on ignore, and even more flattered that you bother to respond.
Seems my -slapping is really pulling your chain, .
of anti-americanism...you have no objectivity and no openmindednesss and most importantly, no common sense. You are beyond all doubt the most close minded/hate driven person posting in the political forum and thus your opinions are worthless. Every single utterance you make is biased, slanted, twisted, filled with the distortion of hate and highly propagandized...
A truly worthless opinion, the most worthless in this forum.
Whott the , I'm flattered you don't have me on ignore, and even more flattered that you bother to respond.
Seems my -slapping is really pulling your chain, .
If you don't know anything about a topic, you really shouldn't talk.
Bhutto voiced support for the Taliban and provided quite a bit of finance to their efforts. She even provided military assistance.
But you don't let facts get in the way of making an argument.
Dumbass.
No, I think it's more the fact you're a complete ing idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.Whott the , I'm flattered you don't have me on ignore, and even more flattered that you bother to respond.
Seems my -slapping is really pulling your chain, .
Joe Biden called this awhile ago.
So the US Strategy is ed. Now its time to move on. I say let the country disintegrate and attempt to influence its division into more ethnically geneous states.
Thats a prime reason all these countries are complete holes.
In fact, can you imagine how bad ass of a covert operation the US would be able to pull off in pakistan if our money and resources weren't bogged in Iraq? We could attempt separation and leave those rural mountainous afghan border areas a new no man's land, waltz in there and commit heinous acts of violence to finally put those ing terrorists to bed for at least another decade.
Plus we'd be able to earn brownie points with India by influencing a kashmir state that we allow India to own in the future with us turning a blind eye.
of course this hypothetical situation would all depend on the pakistani people's response in the coming weeks...
Really the only monkey wrench in a division plan is the nukes.
I think Pakistan is in deep trouble...obviously. I read an article about the struggle for the soul of Pakistan and some of the stories they had were just so amazing to read. It's a great way to see how easy it is, especially in places like Pakistan where corruption is rampant and basic social services are non-existent, how groups like Al-Qaeda and other radical Islam groups can influence and rally so many followers.
I think Pakistan and it's people is lacking serious hope...hope for the future and for it can become. When people lose hope, then they turn to radical ways to get it back...violence and the likes. I can only hope that Pakistan can pull itself out of a hole that appears to be getting deeper and deeper.
That exactly what it is...
And fanatical religious beliefs. Desperate reactions by desperate people.
I just want to know if Bhutto was legitimately winning all those elections and as popular as she seemed...
Because if she was then it's strange that she could be so popular if the people felt she was responsible for their struggles.
what it is are oppressive regimes and some religious fanatics. the ordinary people are caught in between.
CNN's Wolf Blitzer spent much of the first 16 minutes of today's Situation Room talking with Mark Siegel, Benazir Bhutto's longtime friend and spokesperson in the U.S. In October she sent an email (below) to Siegel. Siegel then sent it on to Blitzer on the condition it only be read in the event Bhutto was killed. In introducing the segment Blitzer said, "Only now can I reveal to you what I know. This is a story she wanted me to tell the world on her behalf if she were killed." The story, as detailed in the email, is that Pres. Pervez Musharraf was behind her assassination.
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Photo taken Just before Bhutto was attacked....
NY TimesMs. Bhutto, 54, was shot in the neck or head, according to differing accounts, as she stood in the open sunroof of a car and waved to crowds. Seconds later a suicide attacker detonated his bomb, damaging one of the cars in her motorcade, killing more than 20 people and wounding 50, the Interior Ministry said.
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The attack bore hallmarks of the Qaeda-linked militants in Pakistan. But witnesses described a sniper firing from a nearby building, raising questions about how well the government had protected her in a usually well-guarded garrison town and fueling speculation that government sympathizers had played a part.
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One former government minister said the backlash could make Mr. Musharraf’s position untenable. “Musharraf will not be able to control the situation now,” he said.
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Apparently no autopsy was done, because the police did not request one, Dawn TV reported. Lawyers calling for an international neutral investigation are raising questions about the speed with which Ms. Bhutto’s body was moved. The body arrived in her southern home province, Sindh, before dawn, party officials told Agence-France Presse. The assassination is likely to deepen su ion among Ms. Bhutto’s supporters of Pakistan’s security agencies. Ms. Bhutto has long accused parts of the government, namely the country’s premier military intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, of working against her and her party because they oppose her liberal, secular agenda.
I'm sure some of you are asking why elements of Al-Queda would want attack the Bhutto convey if she was truly as sympathetic to their cause as some people here contend...
Reports from Pakistan coming in..
Kansas CityOne Kansas City resident got a firsthand look at the chaos that tore through Pakistan after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
Nabeeha Kazi, a Pakistani-American who is visiting family in Pakistan, described to The Kansas City Star by e-mail on Thursday the scene that engulfed the city of Karachi, about 500 miles from the assassination site. That’s where Kazi happened to be shopping with her mother at an open market.
“It is a disaster here,” Kazi wrote. “Chaos broke out as soon as we found out that (Bhutto) had been attacked. The city is in an incredibly unstable and dangerous predicament.”
Straits TimesKARACHI - UNIDENTIFIED gunmen shot dead a policeman in a stronghold of assassinated Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto in Karachi on Friday, a day after she was killed in a suicide attack in Rawalpindi, police said.
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The streets of Pakistan's biggest city were largely deserted on Friday with most shops shuttered and paramilitary troops and police patrolling.
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A reporter travelling from Karachi to the Bhuttos' home district of Larkana said he saw hundreds of burnt-out vehicles and people were coming out on Friday morning and setting fire to more and trying to block roads.
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'People are very angry. They attacked banks and government offices. There were no police anywhere. Two shops selling weapons were also looted,' Ms Maula Baksh, a journalist based in Larkana, said of the Thursday night violence.
More than likely it wasn't Al-Queda terra-ist who attacked the Bhutto convey, but likely the same menace that shares much of the responsibility for attacking the U.S. on 9/11....
Benazir Bhutto takes on a powerful enemy
By Colin Freeman in Karachi
TelegraphFormer Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto plans to purge her country's intelligence services of hundreds of rogue agents suspected of supporting Islamic terrorism, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.
In a move that puts her in direct confrontation with the nation's most powerful ins utions, Ms Bhutto, who returned home from exile last week, said Pakistan's security agencies had to become "professional" outfits free from political agendas.
Foremost in her sights if she returns to power will be the notorious Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the secretive "state within the state" that is blamed for orchestrating much of the terrorist violence convulsing Pakistan and neighbouring Afghanistan.
SNIP...
The source also gave the iden ies of three government officials said to have been named in a letter written by Ms Bhutto to Pakistan's military ruler, Gen Pervez Musharraf, in which she accused them of plotting to attack her. The Sunday Telegraph is not revealing their names for legal reasons, but they include a serving senior commander within Pakistani intelligence.
Ms Bhutto makes no secret of her disdain for the ISI, long the most powerful of Pakistan's myriad security agencies. Formed in 1948 to look after external threats, it expanded out of control in the 1980s, when it was responsible for disbursing millions of dollars of US cash to Islamic mujahedeen fighting the Soviet occupation in neighbouring Afghanistan.
Well the question was is Musharraf going to turn out to be a guy who stands for making Pakistan better or was he going to turn out to be just like Saddam and every other dictator that takes over on that side of the world....I guess he answered that question. And he's got nukes.
Here's the catch...you cut off economic aid to Pakistan and the desperate conditions that are fueling their Radical Islamic movement become even worse.
MB said "some" Muslim fantatics....but the thing is, if they are all willing to strap a bomb to themselves and commit acts of terror....they don't need many 10 thousand is plenty.
If Mushrarraf is capable of this sort of thing, not much of the aid is getting through...although we know some is, but if you hit him with sanctions, what little is getting through is going to be the first thing to go and it's going to fuel the extremism.
LaMarcus...you can say we should pull out of Pakistan...but we had. We hadn't messed with Pakistan in a long long time at the time of Sept 11th...and most of those guys were Pakistanis.
The world is a small place now, and the have nots always hate the havs.
And they have nuclear potential and they are willing to commit suicide.
Screwed up situation...but it's not going to go away if we just pretend Pakistan doesn't exist. It's going to get worse. That's what lead to it in the first place.
This is why we have to turn one of those holes into a non hole...so then they can't just say it's America doing it to Muslims and America will align with anyone. Read...win in Iraq. That's the only way to combat it...
Chennai, Oct.19 (ANI): The retired brigadier who was given the responsibility of securing former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's car journey through Karachi on Thursday, used to be the handling officer of Osama bin Laden and Taliban chief Mulla Omar when he was attached with the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
Disclosing this information in an article for the rediff website, former Additional Secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat, B.Raman says that Brigadier (retired) Ejaz Shah, whose resignation is being demanded by Benazir Bhutto, is a close confidante of President General Pervez Musharraf.
Raman says that after Musharraf seized power on October 12, 1999, he had Shah posted as the Home Secretary of Punjab. He also says that Omar Sheikh, who orchestrated the kidnapping and murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, surrendered before Shah because Omar Sheikh knew him before and was confident that Ejaz Shah would see that he was not tortured.
So close are the links between Shah and Musharraf that when several allegations were filed against him, Musharraf sought to send him as Ambassador to Australia or Indonesia. Both countries reportedly refused to accept him. Musharraf then made him the Director General of the Intelligence Bureau and he saw to it that the death sentence against Omar Sheikh for his role in the Pearl case was not executed.Link
The courts have been repeatedly postponing hearings on the appeal filed by Omar Sheikh against the death sentence.
Shah, according to Raman, also played an active role in the campaign to discredit Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Caudhury after he started calling for the files of a large number of missing persons who were taken into custody by the police and the intelligence agencies.
Shah is also a close personal friend of many Punjabi leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League (Qaid), which is opposed to Benazir's return.
According to these sources, the suicide bomber or bombers managed to penetrate the security cordon of the police and IB officers without being frisked, but could not penetrate the inner cordon of security guards of the PPP. When stopped on Thursday night, they blew themselves up at a distance from her vehicle. At the time of the explosion, Bhutto had gone inside the vehicle to rest for a while. This seems to have contributed to her miraculous escape. Had she been standing on top she might have been injured, if not killed? (ANI)
This is an in-depth report, filed last week, on Pakistan's political situation going in to their upcoming elections. This was before the assassination, of course.
Quite an eye opener, and puts the assassination in to stark relief....pay particular attention to the tenor of the very last :30, about Bhutto's outstanding Interpol warrant. Also note how little of this you've heard about any of this you're hearing on American television today.
Among the most interesting reactions today in America to the assassination, was Joe Biden's statement..
This crisis may help Biden in Iowa....
Joe Biden on Hardball discussing Bhutto Assassination...
Huge diplomatic setback for dubya. The US negotiated a year for her return, and was probably counting on her as next and friendlier President, or at least strongly influential opposition on whoever will be President.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
David Frost Interview with Benazifr Bhutto over the weekend...talks about assassination....
The four men Benazir Bhutto fingers in her letter to Prez. Musharraf before her assassination....
Lieutenant General Hamid Gul
"We are not afraid of the Americans; they can't fight on the ground.
We are only concerned about their high-al ude bombers."
Former director of the Inter-Services Intelligence, and Ijaz Shah, the director general of the Intelligence Bureau, another of the country’s intelligence agencies. All those named are close associates of General Musharraf. Bhutto has a long history of accusing parts of the government, particularly Pakistan’s premier military intelligence agencies, of working against her and her party because they oppose her liberal, secular agenda. Bhutto claimed that the ISI has for decades backed militant Islamic groups in Kashmir and in Afghanistan.
Wikipedia
Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi
Was the Chief Minister of the Pakistan's most populous province Punjab, since November 29, 2002 till 2007. He is tipped to become the Next Prime Minister of Pakistan and is part of the clique called "Chaudhrys of Gujrat
Ijaz Shah
Retired Brigadier Ijaz Shah is a Pakistani politician, and a long-term close associate of Pervez Musharraf known for his close links with terrorists; Shah is a former Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) official and is currently the director-general of the Pakistani intelligence bureau; in his official capacity he was one of the individuals named as one of the prime suspects in the 2007 Karachi bombing at the return of Benazir Bhutto...but it's Shah's connection to Saeed Sheikh, the accused mastermind of the Daniel Pearl kidnapping and murder in Iraq that should kick those idle brain synapsis in your head a little...
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