When you do a S&T, the new contract must be at least three years long but only the first year must be guaranteed.
This is what I was told by the guy that proposed the trade...
"They never renounced his rights and he's never filed with the NBA for retirement.
You can increase a player's salary up to 20% without him becoming BYC. That menas they can sign him to a first year salary around 17 million for trade purposes.
Also, only the first year of the mandatory three year deal for a sign and trade is guaranteed."
if that's right, then I guess a few people in this thread can eat ...
Not really. You were acting as if KVH was currently under contract.
Anyway, even Mark Cuban isn't going to pay $120 million for an old, run-down Shaq.
Ah, of course...nevermind the fact that I said there was still a connection with KVH that would allow this. I'm sorry if my initial wording was off. You ripped Mavs fans AND their media for not knowing anything, yet you were wrong...oops...
Shaq would cost the Mavs about $40M...what are you talking about?
It still doesn't make sense for Miami to pay KVH over $15-16 million just to get rid of Shaq. It just doesn't. And, KVH is NOT on Dallas' payroll. And, the whole idea has to be regarded as some sort of way to cir vent the CBA and trades still have to be approved by the NBA. It wouldn't be approved. It was just a silly idea to begin with that will never happen.
Of course when I stated that KVH and his contract were not on Dallas' payroll, you simply said "wrong." Which of course it was not wrong.
I was wrong about that...I wasn't sure of the technicalities of everything but didn't feel like typing more than "wrong"
I knew he wasn't on their current payroll though...
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm
but also knew that they wouldn't dedicate a segment to this potential trade if it was impossible...
Nope, I said he wasn't under contract. I was right.
He has a three year contract. Did you not know about that?Shaq would cost the Mavs about $40M...what are you talking about?
I'm aware...how are you coming up with $120M though?
after I said there was still a connection that could make this possible you said otherwise...WRONG
I guess the idea is plausible. But, I just don't think it's realistic. And, again, here is the part of the CBA that would basically allow Stern and the NBA offices to reject the trade due to it essentially trying to cir vent the CBA.
"87. Can teams find loopholes in the CBA and make trades that were never intended to be allowed?
The CBA has a general prohibition on cir vention which states that the rules exist to preserve the benefit derived by the teams and players, and that nobody shall do anything to defeat or cir vent the intent of the agreement. The league can use this prohibition to disallow a trade that they feel cir vents the CBA, even though that trade is not specifically prohibited by the agreement."
Cuban has said he has ended with the model of spending tons of money to try to win. With the luxury tax, Shaq will cost Mavs more than $100M.
And The nba FO will have a hard time approving a trade where a min-like player get $18M.
It's just something to talk/think about...message board fodder...
Do you know about the luxury tax?
I asked if he was currently on the Mavs roster.after I said there was still a connection that could make this possible you said otherwise...WRONG
Is he?
No, what's that? lol
The way it was discussed last night it would cost them $40M after the luxury tax...maybe they just meant for the 1st year...
You said...
which I took as meaning that since they can't carry sixteen they couldn't attempt this...
It meant KVH is not on the roster. This new contract talk is pie in the sky. I don't think Randy Pfund wants to be remembered as the guy who traded Shaq for Keith Van Horn.
Now if we're talking KVH and Dampier, I don't see how Miami could say no.
the Mavs radio guys also blame not winning a le in 2006 on the refs and the league instead of the incredibly nutless leadership of Dirk and AJ's coaching in that series.
I guess what I'm trying to say is they don't exactly have the most credibility.
Who are you referring to exactly??
KVH owns Shaq!
We should be listening to Mike Taylor for all of our Spurs news, I guess.
That will be difficult considering he barely ever talks about them
Why would Cuban even consider this trade?
Don't make that mistake. Most radio "experts" couldn't find their ass with two hands, a map, and a flashlight. They get paid to incite discussions and draw listeners, not to be correct.
Neither Patricia's site or RealGM have any connection between KVH and the Mavs, probably because there isn't one.
Leonard's been right the whole time. Maybe you'd rather take the word of Marc Stein, then?
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5. Do the Mavs actually have enough to entice New Jersey?
Yes. The sticking point in a straight two-team swap would be Josh Howard -- Howard would be the first player New Jersey asks for and the guy Dallas is apt to deem untouchable a la Bynum -- but Dallas has two other key pieces to get the conversation cranked up: Devin Harris, as the promising young point guard to replace Kidd, and the ability to create a lucrative expiring contract to provide salary-cap relief and make the trade math work by giving a three-year deal (with only the first year guaranteed) to the unofficially retired Keith Van Horn.
Harris is a Mark Cuban favorite and a proven nuisance to San Antonio as Dallas' answer to Tony Parker. But Harris is not an Avery Johnson favorite and, after a promising start to the season, is again struggling to run the team to the demanding coach's specifications. So …
Would New Jersey take Harris, Jason Terry, Van Horn's cap-friendly deal and future draft considerations for Kidd? Would Dallas part with Harris and Howard for Kidd? Probably not in either case. Yet even in three- or four-team scenarios, it's difficult to imagine New Jersey getting back a better young heir to Kidd than Harris, who could probably use a fresh start as much as any Mav.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-071208-09
Ha, some guy on ESPN was saying a few days ago that Shaq still had 2 seasons left in him
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