Webber

[Pistons_In_7]

Ill tell you one thing, when Webber first signed on last year, he was dropping dimes like crazy that the other players weren't ready for, it was frustratingly awesome to see indeed.

[AFBlue]

All those talking up Elson's athleticism and intensity need to check themselves really quick.....

ELSON SUCKS!

The guy has nice athleticism, which is undisputed. What he does with that athleticism is the real question. I've seen him finish a fastbreak ONCE this entire season. I can almost count the number of blocks he's had this season on one hand (EDIT: a whopping 12 all season).

And the main reason he doesn't take advantage of his athleticism on offense or defense is that he's constantly out of position. Despite being on this team for over a season and a half, he has yet to grasp the fundamentals of the Spurs' system. He would do well in a system where they said "Run Forrest Run", but in this one he actually has to think...which is a problem.

I actually think Webber would bring more to the table, but even if you disagree with that assessment, at least try not to spew hyperbole about Elson's abilities....because he's terrible.

[duncan228]

I haven't checked but has Webber been released?

This is the article kingsfan posted yesterday in NBA Central.

For the first time in 16 years, former Sacramento Kings star Chris Webber opened the NBA season last October without a team.

But in an exclusive interview Sunday, Webber told News10's Bryan May that he will sign with a new club and be back on the court in a matter of days.

"I'll be back in two weeks playing basketball," Webber said.

Webber said he hadn't made any firm decision on where he would resume his NBA career, but the 16-year veteran said he had fielded offers from several NBA clubs and had narrowed his choices down to three teams. Webber declined to name the teams he was considering.

After the Detroit Pistons failed to resign Webber during the offseason, the five-time NBA All-Star
rejected offers to play in Europe, instead choosing to spend time with his family.

"This is the first year in 15 years that I've gotten to spend New Years with my family, Christmas with my family," Webber said. "I'm the oldest of five. For some reason it was just very important for me this year to be with my family."

During the interview, Webber also talked about his career as a restaurateur as well as his post-basketball plans for the future. You can see Bryan's complete interview with Webber here.

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=37308

[FromWayDowntown]

I could see Webber as being serviceable for the Spurs, if only because he is another big man who can score the ball, which isn't exactly something that the Spurs have in bunches. For the vet minimum, the Spurs could do a whole lot worse. He obviously wouldn't be a long term solution to any problems, but he is a guy who could contribute some offense to a team that, for now at least, has a need in that area.

[AFBlue]

I could see Webber as being serviceable for the Spurs, if only because he is another big man who can score the ball, which isn't exactly something that the Spurs have in bunches. For the vet minimum, the Spurs could do a whole lot worse. He obviously wouldn't be a long term solution to any problems, but he is a guy who could contribute some offense to a team that, for now at least, has a need in that area.

Don't forget his vision and passing ability. To me, his ability to keep the offense flowing without being the center of it would be an added plus.

There are positives to this guy....

[SenorSpur]

All those talking up Elson's athleticism and intensity need to check themselves really quick.....

ELSON SUCKS!

The guy has nice athleticism, which is undisputed. What he does with that athleticism is the real question. I've seen him finish a fastbreak ONCE this entire season. I can almost count the number of blocks he's had this season on one hand (EDIT: a whopping 12 all season).

And the main reason he doesn't take advantage of his athleticism on offense or defense is that he's constantly out of position. Despite being on this team for over a season and a half, he has yet to grasp the fundamentals of the Spurs' system. He would do well in a system where they said "Run Forrest Run", but in this one he actually has to think...which is a problem.

I actually think Webber would bring more to the table, but even if you disagree with that assessment, at least try not to spew hyperbole about Elson's abilities....because he's terrible.

I don't recall anyone "talking up" Elson. It's widely known the guy has been inconsistent and at 30 years old, will likely be nothing more than what he is now. THe point is Elson's deficiencies and his attributes (occasional shot blocking, mediocre rebounding, good shooting, and his ability to run the floor) benefit the Spurs more than taking a flyer on a guy whose past his prime and playing on one leg and trying to "latch on" to a championship team.

[AFBlue]

I don't recall anyone "talking up" Elson. It's widely known the guy has been inconsistent and at 30 years old, will likely be nothing more than what he is now. THe point is Elson's deficiencies and his attributes (occasional shot blocking, mediocre rebounding, good shooting, and his ability to run the floor) benefit the Spurs more than taking a flyer on a guy whose past his prime and playing on one leg and trying to "latch on" to a championship team.

I didn't say people were talking up Elson, but rather Elson's abilities. It's as if there's a difference between Elson's lack of defense and Webber's lack of defense because one can run faster than the other. I just find fallacy in that argument.

The fact that Elson is more athletic than Webber is inconsequential because it doesn't amount to increased production on Elson's part....that is my point.

And we can just agree to disagree whether Webber (and his one leg) bring more to the table than Elson. Frankly, I think Mahinmi brings more to the table than Elson right now...but that's just me.

[SenorSpur]

I didn't say people were talking up Elson, but rather Elson's abilities. It's as if there's a difference between Elson's lack of defense and Webber's lack of defense because one can run faster than the other. I just find fallacy in that argument.

The fact that Elson is more athletic than Webber is inconsequential because it doesn't amount to increased production on Elson's part....that is my point.

And we can just agree to disagree whether Webber (and his one leg) bring more to the table than Elson. Frankly, I think Mahinmi brings more to the table than Elson right now...but that's just me.

I'll give you the fact the Webber is a brilliant passer, but at this point in his career, I would have to question his health, physical abilities, and his motivation. As someone already stated, if the Spurs did bring him aboard, how much would you expect to get out of him - especially because he doesn't know the system.

Personally, I've had enough of the "let's bring in the next old guy who's sitting at home, yet hasn't announced his retirement yet" type of player. Call it the curse of NVE or whatever. I'm out on that.

As for Ian, it's a given that he'd bring more to the table than practically anyone including Webber and Elson - but that's beside the point. I'd prefer he was prepared and ready to come aboard too. But that's also besides the point.

The fact remains that the Spurs will likely roll with the guys on the team. Another reason this whole Webber thing is a moot point.

[T Park]

Spursdynasty has his head so far up his ass he can sniff his spinal fluid.

As for webber?

No thanks, hes a liability defensively, he is less clutch than Horry, and would just take minutes from him.

Keep rolling with what you have.

[AFBlue]

The fact remains that the Spurs will likely roll with the guys on the team. Another reason this whole Webber thing is a moot point.

Agreed.

This is mostly the reason why I conceded the points on Webber, because I even handicapped the long odds of this actually happening in my first post.

I just had to take the time to make the "most anything is better than Elson" argument. Let's hope I don't have to keep making that argument next season.

[SenorSpur]

Agreed.

This is mostly the reason why I conceded the argument, because I even handicapped the long odds of this actually happening in my first post.

I just had to take the time to make the "most anything is better than Elson" argument. Let's hope I don't have to keep making that argument next season.

I agree that Elson has underachieved and has been very inconsistent. I just don't think he's as bad as some here make him out to be. Yes, he's been an extremely frustrating player, especially when you see flashes of what he can do. He makes a superior block on one end, races to the other to catch a pass for a dunk. Then he'll come back and whiff on a defensive rotation and I'm screaming at the TV.

I've been holding out hope that he will one day provide a formidable defensive matchup against Dirk. So far, it hasn't happened. I just know that I don't want him gone yet. Certainly not this season and not until Ian and Splitter have become fully acclimated into the Spurs system.

I just don't see why so many here want him out. Well have to continue to disagree that Webber would bring more to the table than Elson. It's all good.

[AFBlue]

I just know that I don't want him gone yet. Certainly not this season and not until Ian and Splitter have become fully acclimated into the Spurs system.

We'll agree to disagree on this one as well.

Elson wasn't given much time to "acclimate" before he was thrust into the rotation, averaging close to 20MPG and starting in almost half of the contests last season.

I think Splitter is heady enough to come in and potentially give the same type of minutes in his first year. Yes, he'll take his lumps in the beginning, but I think he could surpass Elson's first-year production, and unlike Elson...I think he'll actually improve from there.

Let's also not forget that Mahinmi will be vying for rotation time as well. That means that there are two potential replacements for Elson's minutes and production next year.

Finally, this duo would be backing up a SOLID frontcourt player in Oberto. If Oberto can give 25-30 minutes a night, that will also lessen the burden on the young guys.


Bottom Line: It would be a luxury to have a veteran onboard so that the transition for Splitter and Mahinmi is easier, but I'm just not sure that Elson @ $3M is worth it.

I'd rather see the Spurs pull Splitter in right away and give Mahinmi a shot at proving he deserves minutes....but that's just me.

[Bruno]

Spurs weren't interested in Webber last year. I don't think they have changed their mind on that.

[peskypesky]

I'd go for Webber. Lose Elson, Horry and/or Bonner.

Webber averaged 20pts and 10 rebounds and 3.4 assists per game in 2006 season. That wasn't so long ago. I think he would be helpful coming off the bench.

[peskypesky]

Elson, for all his athleticism, just seems like a dumb guy with zero b-ball IQ. Horry looks finished. Bonner can't jump and is too inconsistent. I'd prefer Webber.

[timmy21_4rings]

Webber performed better than expected last year with Pistons

[SequSpur]

Matt Bonner is not a big, he plays more like a wussy backup point guard.

[T Park]

He doesn't play like you Sequ so your wrong again.

Horry looks finished

@ fools thinking Horry is finished based on regular season games...

[itzsoweezee]

you know who would be better than webber? luis ing scola! the dumb cheap es in the front office didn't make that happen. i sincerely doubt anyone worth anything is going to be joining the spurs any time soon.

[T Park]

you know who would be better than webber? luis ing scola!

good god....

[Please_dont_ban_me]

And split minutes with Horry? I suppose.

I wouldn't play him over Oberto though. Elson mayyyyyyyybe.

[remingtonbo2001]

you know who would be better than webber? luis ing scola! the dumb cheap es in the front office didn't make that happen. i sincerely doubt anyone worth anything is going to be joining the spurs any time soon.

You knew it was coming.


Hey you know what would be better than Luis in' Scola?

Fabricio in' Oberto.

Oh yeah, Splitter too!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Uh, Weber was always a defensive liability.

True...but at least he had some lateral movement a few years back.


On the bright side, however, he does know the proper time to call a timeout.

[rascal]

Lakers are one of the 3 teams interested in Webber.

[T Park]

Good for them.