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    who votes in primaries? hardcore political types at the extreme ideological ends of their respective party
    who votes in a primary that was already rendered meaningless by its own party? really hardcore political types

    you can't compare the michigan primary to the general election...

    and, my take is that those people who voted undecided were not voting AGAINST HC, they were voting (symbolically, in an already meaningless event) FOR Edwards/Obama


    having a bad candidate on the ballot depresses turnout for that party; it does not boost the turnout for the opposing party
    while i agree with your first assumption, this second one is some ed up logic.

    Why would people vote for edwards obama if they were not gonna count?

    if anything, the uncommitted was an anti hillary backlash.

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    people voted for edwards/obama because at the last minute the edwards and obama campaigns told supporters to vote 'uncommitted'
    It's even worse than that. I heard the numbers, but forget. Anyway, very few people voted democrat to include "uncommitted." If we consider the numbers that would have voted normally that ddn't, and would have voted for a different candidate... Hillary would have lost big.

    Won't hear such things on CNN (Clinton News Network) or any of the other ANNs (Alphabet News Networks.)

    Any one hear the turnout numbers? If I recall right, it was about 70% republican. If we arbitrarily use a 45/10/45 democrat/other/republican turnout, then only about 40% of the normal democrat turnout was in play. Who would the other 60% vote for?

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    New delegate totals at CNN - Super delegates included

    Hillary - 190
    Obama - 103
    Edwards - 51
    Kucinich - 1
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    Richardsons were evidently released and redistributed.

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    Well, how special. Isn't it a bit early to mean anything?

    8.52% of the democrat delegates are counted. Hillary is 9.38% there for 50%+1 and Obama is at 5.09%. Even with Edwards at 2.52%, statistically, he still has a chance. Kucinich (0.05%) and Grave (0%) I think we can count on as out... unless something nice happens for them

    As for the republicans. Only 4.24% of their delegates are counted. Romney has a resounding lead at 54 delegates of the 1191 needed to win. A huge victory at 4.53% of the 50%+1 needed. Of course I'm joking. Not so resounding considering the 32 delegate lead is only 1.34% of the total delegates. Huckabee has 22 delegates (1.85%.) McCain has 15 (1.26%) and Thompson has 6 (0.50%.) Both Giuliani and Hunter are happy with only one delegate (0.08%.) At least they aren't sitting at zero like Gravel!

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