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Do you have proof that second hand smoke is really toxic?
Right to smoke
Right to clean air
Do you have proof recycled air is just as toxic as second hand smoke?
Do you have proof that second hand smoke is really toxic?
No, but I would assume it is. I have no idea if recycled air is toxic.
I'm not flaming the people who want to smoke in the workplace, I just said even when I smoke I don't like to smoke inside.
I'm a smoker and don't like to smoke inside either but I do think that if nonsmokers feel it's their "right" to have smokers go outside than the smokers have equal "right" to smoke inside if it's allowed.
I hate the smell of a place if smokers smoke inside it, even when I was a smoker. That gets into everything and is hard to wash out. However, if you could always smoke inside a certain workplace, then non-smokers have no right to for taking that job.
If a bartender doesn't want to be in a smoking environment, they would have to find another job, yes? Why does that only apply to bartenders? It should apply to anyone who knew that smoking was allowed BEFORE they accepted the job.
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Yes, reams of it.
Here's a link to the Surgeon General's 2006 report (citation at bottom if you care to read it):
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/libra...factsheet6.html
The issue is whether it should be allowed or not.I'm a smoker and don't like to smoke inside either but I do think that if nonsmokers feel it's their "right" to have smokers go outside than the smokers have equal "right" to smoke inside if it's allowed.
Melmart - Asbestos, for example, is treated with extreme care here. Mesothelioma is a horrible way to die. A major building supplies company, James Hardie, has just had to pay out about a billion dollars to workers who it failed to protect from the dangers of asbestos.
"Recycled air" causes cancer? Do tell?
[QUOTE=RuffnReadyOzStyle]Wow, I am quite amazed.
So, let's say I've been at a company for 10 years with no smokers around. My deskmate leaves to be replaced by a smoker. The company does not yet have any anti-smoking rules. You think it's more reasonable that I should have to leave the company to protect my health, than the smoker being made to go outside? Wow. We are talking about cancer here, remember?
Basically, you put your individual rights above your responsibility to safeguard others ina social situation. Amazing.[/QUOTE
U R having frickin' flashbacks, my friend
Do tell where anyone made that claim?
Didn't you just write that? You associated "recycled air, asbestos or other crap that is just as bad". Asbestos cause cancer, you associate asbestos and recycled air, thus...Do tell where anyone made that claim?
non-smokers are gay
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I honestly dont see why this is an issue, Ive never seen a company in SA that allows smoking in an enclosed workspace in the last 20 or so years.
if you are still working for a company that allows it, seriously, get the out. Otherwise, you! live with it you ing pussy!
on a side note I cant wait for the city to pass the no smoking rule in bars, I've got a legal way around it and Im going to capitolize like a mother er!
I never said recycled air causes cancer. You can assume or infer that that's what I meant, but it's not. Things like asbestos, secondhand smoke and recycled air are all bad for you, but I never said how or made a specific comparison. All I am saying is that all air we breathe is bad on some level or another. If the place you agreed to work in allows smoking, deal with it or reject the job and find another.
I don't know of anyplace other than bars that allows this though, so I don't see why your panties are in a wad.
People who think they can do whatever they want wherever they want without regard or concern for their fellow human beings are absolutely pathetic individuals and a sorry excuse for an upright creature with a brain large enough to realize that what they do affects those around them. I know five year-olds who have a better grasp of the effects of their behavior than you are purporting here.
People who call others out for wanting to be in a healthy environment and not have to smell the following toxins: Acetone, ammonia, nicotine, arsenic, benzene, benzoapyrene, butane, cadmium, etc.... you're really attempting to call people pussies for not wanting that in their bodies? I have no words for that kind of blatant ignorance and stupidity.
Hmmm small wonder that no known businesses in San Antonio allow indoor smoking? I guess they're all just pussies, right? You know. All that "wanting to live to see your grandchildren" and stuff, that's just for suckas.
Oh my God, someone actually gets the point! Thank you, I can die happy now.
Melmart - so why did you put "recycled air" in the same sentence as tobacco smoke and asbestos? There is no comparison. That was my point.
That's funny ... since I quit, that's where it chokes me up the most. I'm extremely sensitive to it because I'm still scared of a relapse, and sure enough ... everytime I walk outside of a building (even the grocery store), there's a very strong cigarette smell.
Anyway, the point of this thread is virtually moot. Unless you work at a bar that still allows smoking (a lot of even them now don't), most if not all businesses require you to go outside to smoke. That guy firing his employees that didn't smoke was in Germany....and I have no idea what's the norm around there.
Yes. The employer sets the policy, you as an employee obey. Dont like it?
Quit, brotha.
Agreed.
...as I sit at my desk smoking writing this dribble. Just hired a new secretary 2 weeks ago.
I said "I smoke in my office, if you dont like it, dont take the job."
Shes employed. Shes happy. Deal with it.
I worked for a company in 92-95 that still allowed smoking in the break room the first year i was there.
Smokers are s. They'll defend their addiction over all reason to the death. Anyone who says there are no health effects from second hand smoke is a liar and doesn't really believe what they're saying.
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