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    ^ longest le-under-name in history.

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    ^Honest mistake, I'm sure.

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    no they are doing this on purposes.....it seems its not only fox, but msnbc doesn't want to acknowledge him either?????

    what gives?

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    can't you people see its the establishment(every other candidate) and Ron Paul....FIGHT THE POWER.....By voting for paul you are ing up the system and voting for someone who is 100% legit........lets have some fun and donate to..............

    www.ronpaul2008.com



    romney made $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ with his dads connections....and now it time to pay the piper.....so they have enlisted him to be DUBYA part 2.......don't let huge corperations succeed.

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    Far be it for me to defend Fox News (and I'm not), but if somebody's vote is swung by not realizing Paul finished third (or second), I don't know that I would trust them to punch a ballot without hurting themselves.

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    PLAISTOW, N.H. -- Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network "is scared" of him.

    "They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said in an interview at a diner here. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

    Paul's staff said they are beginning to plan a rally that will take place at the same time the 90-minute debate will air on television. It will be taped at Saint Anselm College in Goffstown.

    "They will not win this skirmish," he promised.

    The Fox debate occurs less than 24 hours after two back to back Republican and Democratic debates on the same campus sponsored by ABC News, WMUR-TV and the social networking website Facebook.
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    Momentum to do what ? Nothing ? Which is exactly what he's done during his time in Congress. Nothing.

    He votes no on appropriations bills yeah, but not till he crams in all the pork he can knowing it will pass anyway. Now there is a man of conviction.

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    Momentum to do what ? Nothing ? Which is exactly what he's done during his time in Congress. Nothing.

    He votes no on appropriations bills yeah, but not till he crams in all the pork he can knowing it will pass anyway. Now there is a man of conviction.
    Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

    He has never voted to raise taxes.
    He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
    He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
    He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
    He has never taken a government-paid junket.
    He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

    He voted against the Patriot Act.
    He voted against regulating the Internet.
    He voted against the Iraq war.

    He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
    He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

    Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface's Avatar
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    Momentum to do what ? Nothing ? Which is exactly what he's done during his time in Congress. Nothing.

    He votes no on appropriations bills yeah, but not till he crams in all the pork he can knowing it will pass anyway. Now there is a man of conviction.
    the funny thing is that this guy is probably backing clinton/obama/romney

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    I read today where Paul votes against spending bills he knows will pass, while anyway adding in pork for his district.

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    Ron Paul was also the first person in Congress to propose term limits in 1974. Since then he's run 14 campaigns for Congress and two for President over the last 34 years.

    So, clearly what he means is term limits are for 'someone else'. He can't even self impose them on himself. This is just one of many reasons no one takes this crackhead seriously.

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    I read today where Paul votes against spending bills he knows will pass, while anyway adding in pork for his district.
    I think that's a bit of spin. I head this too, but there is a difference betwen valid brojects brought to ones own state vs. what we really define as pork. Notice how no specific examples were mentioned... Leads me to believe they were valid requests for his state.

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    Boutons...

    Just for you... a definition:

    radical, adjective.

    1. Pertaining to the root or origin; original; fundamental; as, a radical error.

    2. Implanted by nature; native; cons utional; as, the radical moisture of a body.

    3. Primitive; original; underived; uncompounded; as, a radical word.

    4. In botany, proceeding immediately from the root; as, a radical leaf or peduncle.

    5. In mathematics, pertaining to a radix or root.

    6. Unsparing; extreme; without reservation; thorough; severe.

    radical, noun.

    1. In philology, a primitive word; a radix; a root; a simple, underived, uncompounded word.

    2. A primitive letter; a letter that belongs to the radix

    3. In politics, one who advocates a radical reform, or extreme measures in reformation.

    4. In chemistry, an essential or cons uent part of a compound which remains after one or more elements have been removed.

    5. In anatomy, a minute vessel that originates in the tissue.

    6. In algebra, a term to which the radical sign is prefixed; also, a surd.

    Now I'll grant you that Paul's proposed tax change can technically be considered radical after such definitions are considered. Only because within the political specific definition, "radical reform" is the same as "extreme reform" meaning a large change rather than being extreme.

    Funny how something so simple as the Fair Tax can by definition be considered extreme. That's politics for you I guess.

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    "a large change rather than being extreme.'

    Abolishing the entire tax code in favor of only a retail tax is extremely, radically large.

    It'll NEVER happen because RP is dead in the water now, never mind when the Repug swift-boaters and slimers start tearing him apart.

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    It'll NEVER happen because RP is dead in the water now, never mind when the Repug swift-boaters and slimers start tearing him apart.
    Except the Fair Tax isn't his idea. It has several backers in congress. It is HR 25 sponsored by Rep Linder, John, originally on 7/14/1999. It's most current form is dated 1/4/2007, and has 68 cosposores:

    Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 1/31/2007
    Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 10/23/2007
    Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 2/8/2007
    Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 2/8/2007
    Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 4/17/2007
    Rep Bilirakis, Gus M. [FL-9] - 3/9/2007
    Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 7/17/2007
    Rep Bonner, Jo [AL-1] - 1/11/2007
    Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 5/9/2007
    Rep Boren, Dan [OK-2] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 1/11/2007
    Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 9/24/2007
    Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 2/5/2007
    Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Crenshaw, Ander [FL-4] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 1/19/2007
    Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Davis, David [TN-1] - 1/23/2007
    Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Drake, Thelma D. [VA-2] - 1/5/2007
    Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 2/8/2007
    Rep Fallin, Mary [OK-5] - 9/17/2007
    Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 1/31/2007
    Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 2/5/2007
    Rep Gilchrest, Wayne T. [MD-1] - 6/11/2007
    Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 1/5/2007
    Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Granger, Kay [TX-12] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 2/6/2007
    Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14] - 1/10/2007
    Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 1/22/2007
    Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 2/28/2007
    Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 2/8/2007
    Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 5/7/2007
    Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 2/5/2007
    Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 1/11/2007
    Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 1/31/2007
    Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] - 10/9/2007
    Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-41] - 2/6/2007
    Rep Lucas, Frank D. [OK-3] - 9/10/2007
    Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Mica, John L. [FL-7] - 1/9/2007
    Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 2/8/2007
    Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Moran, Jerry [KS-1] - 1/18/2007
    Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins [NC-9] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Norwood, Charles W. [GA-10] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Sullivan, John [OK-1] - 1/30/2007
    Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 2/15/2007
    Rep Tiahrt, Todd [KS-4] - 2/12/2007
    Rep Walberg, Timothy [MI-7] - 1/11/2007
    Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 6/18/2007
    Rep Weldon, Dave [FL-15] - 2/5/2007
    Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] - 1/4/2007
    Rep Whitfield, Ed [KY-1] - 1/30/2007
    Rep Young, Don [AK] - 1/5/2007

    He says he'll vote yes on the Fair tax, but it is troubling that he didn't take the time to cosponsor it. Maybe I shouldn't care, there are enough cosigners for any reputable congress majority to take action on it. To bad it will never get past the likes og Nancy Pelosy.

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    "a large change rather than being extreme.'

    Abolishing the entire tax code in favor of only a retail tax is extremely, radically large.

    It'll NEVER happen because RP is dead in the water now, never mind when the Repug swift-boaters and slimers start tearing him apart.

    There is no income tax in the EU. only a sales tax that charges everyone(even welfare people)a tax on everything they buy. thus the rich pay more than the poor.....like it should be.

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    There is no income tax in the EU. only a sales tax that charges everyone(even welfare people)a tax on everything they buy. thus the rich pay more than the poor.....like it should be.
    No income tax in the EU? I would get annoyed with such a ridiculous falsehood, except that you are so obviously insane that you can't really be held accountable for it.

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    "There is no income tax in the EU"

    lie

    "a tax on everything they buy"

    groceries, clothes, and sometimes books and newspapers aren't taxed.

    "the rich pay more than the poor"

    lie. the biggest problem with consumption tax is that is is always regressive, never "flat", no progressive, so there must be an parallel attempt to reduce the regessivity.

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    "There is no income tax in the EU"

    lie

    "a tax on everything they buy"

    groceries, clothes, and sometimes books and newspapers aren't taxed.

    "the rich pay more than the poor"

    lie. the biggest problem with consumption tax is that is is always regressive, never "flat", no progressive, so there must be an parallel attempt to reduce the regessivity.

    Not a consumption tax. Tax is called Value Added Tax
    (VAT). Much different than a consumption tax or
    sales tax. Get your stuff straight, just once in a while.

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    Enough of this Ron Paul propaganda, he isn't gaining . All he is doing is wasting 10's of millions of dollars that could go to serve a much better purpose. He doesnt stand a chance hin and you all know it.

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    By the way there is a VAT on clothing, i just went shopping in the UK and stores had signs that read "Vat Included In Price"

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    Enough of this Ron Paul propaganda, he isn't gaining . All he is doing is wasting 10's of millions of dollars that could go to serve a much better purpose. He doesnt stand a chance hin and you all know it.
    I'm not positive how campaign finance laws work... but could Paul's funds go to help other libertarian-minded candidates run for local offices around the country?

    There could be a real fight among Paul supporters between the libertarians who want to use the money to run to become state legislators or county judges, and the crackpots who want to blow it all on tinfoil and newsletters.

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    the map has changed drastically since you posted it.

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    that poll is reset every week.

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