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The deal (heard it on the radio), would entail us dumping Banks and Diaw and getting back Warrick, Miller, and Stoudamire.
Jeremy, D'Antoni is piss-poor at handling minutes and rotations. Findog is exactly right on this issue. D'Antoni overplays Nash, Hill and Marion and underplays Skinner and Banks and, yes, even Tucker. There's zero reason the Suns rotation can't look more like this...
PG: Nash (32 Minutes), Banks (10), Barbosa (6)
SG: Bell (25), Barbosa (23)
SF: Hill (30), Marion (8), Bell (5), Tucker (5)
PF: Marion (24), Diaw (24)
C: Stoudemire (30), Skinner (18)
If push came to shove, I'd cut Tucker's minutes and play Marion five more minutes at SF and five fewer at PF, and add another five minutes to Skinner's rotation, running a Marion, Amare, Skinner frontcourt out there for a minimum of 15-to-20 minutes a game.
Marion 32 minutes
Nash 32 minutes
Amare 30 minutes
Bell 30 minutes
Hill 30 minutes
Barbosa 29 minutes
Diaw 24 minutes
Skinner 23 minutes
Banks 10 minutes
That's a solid rotation. It's as balanced as the Suns can get.
The deal (heard it on the radio), would entail us dumping Banks and Diaw and getting back Warrick, Miller, and Stoudamire.
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat if I were the Suns, but no way Sarver signs off on dumping the fan fave Stoudemire. Unless there are long-term concerns about his knee and they want to get out of that contract. Miller would be deadly for the Suns.
I'd trade Amare, Diaw and Banks for Gasol, Miller, Warrick and Stoudamire.
PG: Nash, Stoudamire
SG: Bell, Barbosa
SF: Miller, Hill
PF: Marion, Warrick
C: Gasol, Skinner
That's a solid 10-man rotation.
Not a fan of Marion starting at the four. Maybe a LB for Jeff Foster trade to improve our size?
The Suns still wouldn't play any defense, but they might be even more efficient offensively and be able to finally win doing it D'Antoni's way. Amare wants to win, but he wants to win by being the star. That team would completely defer to Nash as the leader and nobody would be ing about how they didn't get enough touches. The defense and ball movement would end up dictating who'd get to take the shot.
I don't think trading Amare is the answer. His defense is suspect, but if you play him at PF and Skinner (or someone else via trade) at C, then his defensive deficiencies are less pronounced, our rebounding improves, and our defense does, too. Trading D'Antoni is the answer!
We have all the right pieces; our coach just doesn't know how to use them.
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And it seems like this is nothing new. I think Amare negatively affects your team chemistry. The irony of him calling out somebody else as being a ballhog, especially when they're curbstomping the T-Pups at the time.
I wouldn't trade Barbosa for Foster, but a one-for-one of Warrick for Foster would work. Have no idea why the Pacers would go for it, but frankly I don't see them trading foster anyways.
I think with Miller's added rebounding from the SF, they'd be slightly better in the numbers.
Whether they keep Amare or trade him for Gasol, I'd love to see a Marion/Amare or Gasol/Skinner frontcourt for 20 minutes a game.
And, just for the record, I'm on board with Xylus and his "feed Amare the ball in the post" stance. He's dead on. Amare needs 25 or more touches per game, specifically when he's in a position to create with the ball. He commands attention which gets the Suns to the FT line at a higher rate, gets them more, and perhaps even better perimeter shots and while I share some concern with others about him being a blackhole on offense, he's an efficient blackhole and establishing him early and often would only help to either: 1. generate open perimeter shots throughout the game, or 2. by establishing perimeter threes early from his post presense, keep the lane open for he, Nash, Hill and Barbosa to command late.
Amare is the Suns best finisher on offense, whether it be off the pic-n-roll, off the dribble, down low or from 18 feet. I trust him over every player after Nash and see no ill coming from him getting 15 or more shots a game to go with 7-to-10 FTs.
You need balance, but the right kind. This even across the board kind isn't working right now. Amare needs 20%, Nash 15% and all others around 10%. Then the Suns will have a better opportunity to win.
Regardless of the coach, the Suns are simply not built to win an NBA championship, at least not when the refs have bet the under.
If anyone in the Suns organization had any brains, they'd listen up to what Mavs fan has to say. There's a team that knows how to win when it counts.
I can't see the Suns trading Amare to another Western conference team. If he gets traded or Marion it will be to the East.
amare is a cancer
steve kerr was a fool to not try to trade him for kg
I don't think Amare is a cancer. He wants to win but I think sometimes he goes around it the wrong way. As much as Nash is crucial to the team Amare is the one that puts them over the top.
They did offer him. Minnesota balked.
From what I heard KG wanted to go to Phoenix but if Amare was there. He was pushing for Marion to be traded. The Wolves balked at that trade.
Oh, I totally agree that D'antoni's rotations are horrible. I was just pointing out that he does play an 8-man rotation. In fact, that is what many people criticize him for doing--ONLY playing 8 players.
I'm glad to see that he is finally giving Strawberry a look at the backup PG spot, but he'll probably quit playing him when Hill comes back, and continue with only 8 players. I definitely think that Strawberry is our second-best PG on the current roster, except for maybe Grant Hill if they would play him at the PG spot.
Yeah. I know for a 100% fact that Amare was offered as a last attempt to acquire Garnett. Minnesota cited a reluctance to acquire a player with so high a contract.
The Suns also offered Amare to the Lakers as part of a package to acquire Kobe.
So, Amare was offered twice. Marion was certainly offered more, but Amare is available for the right player or package of players.
Typical Suns fan: too stupid to follow a line of argument.
The point is that the Suns have a disturbing trend of being unable to beat quality teams at full strength, which bodes ill for the playoffs.
Over the top of what? Is there some precipice of bad defense or bad rebounding the Suns are trying to reach?
The problem with Amare is that mentally, he is limited to the intelligence and maturity of an early adolescent. He needs a parent.
I counter that with 2006 Miami Heat. Look at thier record against .500 teams that season. The Suns still have 1 more game with the Lakers and 2 more with the Mavs. Wait till the season ends before you evaluate thier record.
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What was with Grant Hill? Why did he make that face?
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