Brand

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs need, if anything, stopgap help in the frontcourt for this season only. Trading for Elton Brand, who probably won't be available to play until next season, doesn't make any sense.

[SenorSpur]

Perhaps this will squash the suggestions on acquiring Brand.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ly_to_opt_out/

Brand Unlikely To Opt Out?
January 22, 2008 - 12:22 pm
RealGM Staff Report -
This summer, Elton Brand can elect to opt out of his contract to become a free agent, but owner Donald Sterling does not anticipate that happening.

"One, based on my conversation with Elton, he's not going to opt out," Sterling told the Los Angeles Times. "And two, whatever he asks for, I think he deserves. He is our franchise player, we need him. You saw a short time ago we were pretty close to being a special team, and now without him you see how difficult it is.

[AFBlue]

2010? This is exactly what I heard before ,about signing a great free agent at a future date and the spurs ended up with Rasho Nesterovic.

True, the Spurs may not get Chris Bosh, Lebron James, or Dwyane Wade.

But look at all the other choices out there....



F/C:
Carlos Boozer
Tyson Chandler (Player Option)
Amare Stoudemire (Player Option)
Darko Milicic
Jermaine O'Neal
Eddy Curry (Player Option)
Luis Scola

G/F:
Joe Johnson
Mike Miller
Michael Redd (Player Option)
Rip Hamilton
Tracy McGrady
Stephen Jackson
Al Harrington


Bottom Line: I think the Spurs have a REALLY good shot at landing an impact FA in 2010. Let's face it, 2010 is a make-or-break year for this franchise that will likely dictate how the immediate Post-Duncan Era plays out.

[AFBlue]

Also, I'm questioning the timing of the preposed trade....

Are you saying the Spurs should give up Ginobili NOW for a guy that won't even be able to play in games until next year, and who even at that time will still be recovering from an achilles tendon tear?

Or, are you advocating the Spurs trade for him after this season when he'll likely be given franchise-type dollars to stick around, thus making it more difficult to find enough salary to match?

I'm just trying to figure out the logistics of how getting Brand actually takes place.

[ChumpDumper]

Luis Scola

[AFBlue]

Notice he was at the bottom of the F/C list. Not that it was necessarily my best-to-worst, but it probably wasn't far off...

I'd much rather it be Chris Bosh.

[Extra Stout]

Notice he was at the bottom of the F/C list. Not that it was necessarily my best-to-worst, but it probably wasn't far off...

I'd much rather it be Chris Bosh.

I'd much rather it be a clone of Wilt Chamberlain in his prime, with a few Calvin Murphy genes thrown in to improve his free throw shooting.

Mine's about as realistic as yours.

[AFBlue]

I'd much rather it be a clone of Wilt Chamberlain in his prime, with a few Calvin Murphy genes thrown in to improve his free throw shooting.

Mine's about as realistic as yours.

Why?

Is Chris Bosh not potentially a FA in 2010?

Are the Spurs not in a position to have enough money to sign a max-player in 2010?

Would the Spurs still have at least Tony Parker and Tim Duncan for another year or two and be in theoretical contention for the le?

Tell me if I'm off on any of this....

Here, I'll go ahead and make your argument for you:

Chris Bosh could decide to be loyal to the Raptors, who drafted him and built their team around him. He could also get one more year of guaranteed dollars from the Raps than the Spurs or any other team could offer.

That about sums up the "against" argument for him coming here. Could it prevent him from coming here? Sure. It was enough for Kidd and O'Neal to stick with their teams.

BUT, it could happen and I'd say it's alot more likely than your scenario.

[Extra Stout]

Why?

Is Chris Bosh not potentially a FA in 2010?

Are the Spurs not in a position to have enough money to sign a max-player in 2010?

Would the Spurs still have at least Tony Parker and Tim Duncan for another year or two and be in theoretical contention for the le?

Tell me if I'm off on any of this....

Here, I'll go ahead and make your argument for you:

Chris Bosh could decide to be loyal to the Raptors, who drafted him and built their team around him. He could also get one more year of guaranteed dollars from the Raps than the Spurs or any other team could offer.

That about sums up the "against" argument for him coming here. Could it prevent him from coming here? Sure. It was enough for Kidd and O'Neal to stick with their teams.

BUT, it could happen and I'd say it's alot more likely than your scenario.

Give me one instance, just one, a single, solitary one, of a superstar franchise player under the age of 30, voluntarily electing to leave his current team and take less money to join a team in an even smaller market.

I'll bet on genetic engineering first.

P.S. Rashard Lewis is not a superstar franchise player, in case you were thinking of going there.

[AFBlue]

Give me one instance, just one, a single, solitary one, of a superstar franchise player under the age of 30, voluntarily electing to leave his current team and take less money to join a team in an even smaller market.

I'll bet on genetic engineering first.

P.S. Rashard Lewis is not a superstar franchise player, in case you were thinking of going there.

Too lazy to research, but assuming you're right it's a fair point.

It'll obviously be a while, but I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Bottom Line: TD didn't leave $11M on the table for the Spurs to do nothing, and the FO realizes that Parker is probably gone the year after if they don't make a significant move. I think they'll recruit HARD for the aformentioned players.....to include Bosh.

[SenorSpur]

Give me one instance, just one, a single, solitary one, of a superstar franchise player under the age of 30, voluntarily electing to leave his current team and take less money to join a team in an even smaller market.

I'll bet on genetic engineering first.

P.S. Rashard Lewis is not a superstar franchise player, in case you were thinking of going there.

Yeah, I agree and have made that point a few times in the past. Never say never, of course. But the likelihood of any superstar FA leaving money on the table to bolt to another team is remote at best.

I saw an interview with Bosh last week on the ESPN show, "Rome is Burning". He stated that he had much loyalty to the Raps because they were THE team that drafted him. He went onto say that the reasons he preferred to stay in a small market like Toronto was it "better suited his goals of developing his franchise-level talents" and he rather enjoyed "being the marquee cog in the building of a winning culture and winning tradition with a young team like the Raps." He preferred this as opposed to going into a "ready-made" situation.

He seems like a stand-up dude.

[rascal]

Trade Ginobili?

Uh no. I don't know what the you got against Manu Rascal, but the damn insanity with that BS needs to quit.

This is a good example of what Kori has been talking about in another thread about you.
Manu has trade value and is the most logical player to trade. He has less value to the teams success than Parker(younger with more upside potential) or Duncan(the franchise).

[rascal]

Agree with Extra Stout: Don't hold out hope of signing a star free agent. It is not likely to happen. Thats why its better to try to look into getting a star quality player through a trade.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Trade Elson, Barry, Finely, Oberto, and whoever else they want



anyone except the big 3

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Trade Elson, Barry, Finely, Oberto, and whoever else they want



anyone except the big 3

"anyone except the big 3."

And it seems as though you're fond of players who aren't playing.

[baseline bum]

I love Brand, but goddamn; why would the team throw this season? You don't waste a year of Duncan's prime.

[e20dylan]

why do yall want jr smith? hes nothing but trouble we could pick someone WAY better like james posey. manu will be a spur forever. believe it get over it.

[timmy21_4rings]

And where do you suppose we get scoring from if we trade Manu or Parker?

We will get the points from Brand...

He's going to be good enough to have a spot in the rotation immediately. And we also have Ian, btw.

Look what happened to the best player in past few year Euro league..I mean Scola....Until proven in NBA, there is no guarantee he would be a good NBA player..Ian???? We can talk abt him once he has grown up....

[rascal]

I love Brand, but goddamn; why would the team throw this season? You don't waste a year of Duncan's prime.

What do you mean? Brand will be back. By the way the spurs look now they are throwing away this year by not doing anything.

[rascal]

We will get the points from Brand...



Look what happened to the best player in past few year Euro league..I mean Scola....Until proven in NBA, there is no guarantee he would be a good NBA player..Ian???? We can talk abt him once he has grown up....

Exactly. I heard for over two years how Scola was going to be a big difference maker for the spurs. Brand is a proven player, Splitter and Ian are just prospects at this time. Splitter can end up being worse than Milicic, just a player that cannot adjust to the nba game. So don't get too carried away saying the spurs are all set with Splitter coming.

[jay014]

Manu for Josh Smth
along with Tim Duncan
and Tiago Splitter make for a of a front court.

[ancestron]

Trading Manu Ginobili......

thats just crazy talk.

JR smith sucks btw.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We will get the points from Brand.....

Not if he is injury-prone and hasn't seen any action at all this season...

Look what happened to the best player in past few year Euro league..I mean Scola....Until proven in NBA, there is no guarantee he would be a good NBA player..Ian???? We can talk abt him once he has grown up....

Scola is older and barely has any potential. Comparing him to a young true power forward with loads of potential doesn't make any sense. Same situation for Splitter.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Manu is not the difference maker, Duncan is.

You are ing kidding me!?

Manu is as essential to this team as Timmy or Tony - they are the "Big 3" because they are complementary to each other and the team needs each one of them to function. No way I'd break up this core until it becomes apparent they are no longer contenders, and that's 2-3 seasons away.

As for Brand, nice player, but how exactly does he fit next to Tim? He does a lot of the same stuff. No way I'd trade one of the Big 3 for him.

[dg7md]

Trade anybody but the big three for Brand.