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    The religion part was basically icing on the cake. I agree with DarkReign. Anyone wanna tackle the richers.

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    Well, for one, there is a notable difference between the nature religions, which claim that God or gods are found in nature, and a religious tradition like the Hebrew one, which proposes a God that transcends nature and is described in historical narrative. The rejection of nature worship is one of the prominent features of the Judeo-Christian religious tradition.

    The movie lacks any sources versed in the history of any religion, and thus primarily deals in claims which are credible only to the credulous. It's like the atheist version of Creation Science.

    For example, the movie makes several statements about the Egyptian god Horus which are blatantly false, such that he was born on December 25th, born of a virgin, that a star in the east appeared when he was born, that he was worshipped by kings, that he was a teacher of 12, that he was called the lamb of God, and that he was crucified. It claims that this non-existent version of the Horus myth was the original one from 3000 BC, which is curious since there are no known sources on Horus from that far back.

    It also claims that the 12 disciples represent the 12 signs of the zodiac, as opposed to the 12 tribes of Israel, from the Genesis narrative, which had absolutely nothing to do with astrology.

    It claims that A.D. 1 represents some new age under the zodiac, which is fine since Jesus was born around 6 B.C., and the calendar represents an error by a later scholar.

    It claims that Christian worship on Sunday is pagan in origin, despite the copious evidence of the debate between church fathers on which day should be the day or worship (Sabbath or the day following?) which has to do with the relationship between the tradition of temple worship and the tradition of the Eucharist. It has nothing to do with sun worship.

    It claims that the Christian "fish" symbol is zodiacal, rather than a symbol of a Greek anagram for Jesus (i-ch-th-u-s = Iesous CHristos THeou Uios Soter).

    The movie claims that "Son" of God might actually really mean "Sun" of God, as though the language of Judea or the Roman Empire were modern English.

    The whole idea that Christianity from its outset was a tool of the elites to control the people is historically ridiculous, insofar as it was a religion which outside of its stronghold in western Anatolia was a tiny minority religion until the Edict of Milan in 313. It was intermittently persecuted by local rulers (though not systematically throughout the Empire as is often believed), because Christians refused to confess Caesar as Lord and Savior, and therefore were regarded as seditious. There are volumes of writings do enting these first three centuries.

    You can't claim the so-called intellectual high ground as a skeptic while believing a movie whose claims about Christianity are devoid of scholarship even to the level of reading Wikipedia entries. Latching onto such tripe betrays one simply as an anti-religious bigot with an axe to grind.
    so you really believe that Jesus rose from the dead for our sins and WTC 7 fell from an office fire?

    Nice.

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    You really believe this is becoming the most watched movie of all time?

    Nice.

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    It's quite easy to make a claim that a movie is the most watched of all time when you have no qualms about fabricating the statistics.
    today, Zeitgeist is in the Google top 50 no less than SIX TIMES!

    The regular version is # 1, as usual, as it has been for the past seven months.

    Also in the top 50 are:

    part # 1

    part # 3

    part # 2

    the Spanish version

    and

    the old version

    As I said before, you Zeitgeist haters are just jealous of someone else's success, and ought to consider Marxism.

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    Alrighty then...

    So, are you saying ES that the similarities between the astrological movements and Judeo-Christianity's tenets are just purely coincidence? Regardless of the other religions mentioned (of which I have even less knowledge of than Christianity) and the similarities in "saviors" or "Christs"?

    By no means am I saying youre wrong, but even if I were to eliminate the other religions/saviors mentioned in the do entary, the similarities are there.
    The similarities as the movie presents them? I wouldn't call them so much coincidence as distortion.

    Tying the ancient Jewish narrative to enistic (as opposed to more ancient) astrology is a dumb anachronism. You might as well claim that Exodus is based upon Grapes of Wrath. I could believe that the worship of the golden calf was in some way related to Taurus. "Sacred bull" worship was widespread in many cultures, and Taurus has been identified as a bull for several millenia under Babylonian astrology. But Moses as Aries? The shofar? Nonsense. That constellation was the "Hireling" at least until 700 B.C. or so.

    As far as Jesus ins uting the age of Pisces, the connection is arbitrary. First of all, that fish are mentioned in the New Testament is about as relevant as if beef were mentioned in a story set in Texas. It's what they ate. Second, the ICHTHUS anagram has already been explained. Third, one could just as easily tie Jesus' birth to Aries (Lamb of God), Leo (Lion of the Tribe of Judah), Virgo (Virgin Mary), Capricorn (scapegoat), Aquarius (the miracle at Cana) or Libra (divine justice). You can also tie him to Venus (Morning Star). The point is that all these similarities are speculative. You can also claim Jesus is light, water, oil, fire, air, bread, wine, a camel, a donkey, a dove, a swallow, a snake, a snake-killer, a horseman, a general, a book, a lump of coal, a hunk of granite or marble, or any other kind of rock you like, gold, silver, jewels, fine cloth, or detergent. Those are off the top of my head; if I actually went back through the Bible I could come up with dozens more. To pick one symbol out and proclaim it proves Jesus is an astrological invention is ridiculous and disingenuous.

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    today, Zeitgeist is in the Google top 50 no less than SIX TIMES!

    What does that actually mean? How many viewers does that represent?

    National Lampoon's Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj is in the top Google videos as well -- does that mean that more people watched that than anic?

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    today, Zeitgeist is in the Google top 50 no less than SIX TIMES!

    The regular version is # 1, as usual, as it has been for the past seven months.

    Also in the top 50 are:

    part # 1

    part # 3

    part # 2

    the Spanish version

    and

    the old version

    As I said before, you Zeitgeist haters are just jealous of someone else's success, and ought to consider Marxism.
    Google video top 50 = most watched movie of all time?

    Do you believe you have superpowers?

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    so you really believe that Jesus rose from the dead for our sins and WTC 7 fell from an office fire?

    Nice.
    AACCKKKK!!! Facts! Knowledge!! I must run away and retreat into smug snarkiness!!

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    What does that actually mean? How many viewers does that represent?

    National Lampoon's Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj is in the top Google videos as well -- does that mean that more people watched that than anic?
    It's easy to be a Truther. You just uncouple yourself from reality and make up whatever you want. Any countervailing evidence was fabricated as part of the ethereal "conspiracy."

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    The first part of Zeitgeist was so laughably bad that I stopped watching it. Apparently I didn't miss much.

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    It's easy to be a Truther. You just uncouple yourself from reality and make up whatever you want. Any countervailing evidence was fabricated as part of the ethereal "conspiracy."
    Aha, but you are a Jesus truther. That makes you a kook.

    Did WTC 7 fall down for our sins?

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    a tad bit jealous that Zeitgeist is fast becoming the most watched movie of all time?
    How many people have actually watched it?

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    The first part of Zeitgeist was so laughably bad that I stopped watching it.
    Translation: Cop out.

    You must have been intimidated. If it was that funny why not watch more? Unless you don't like comedies.

    I think deep down your scared.


    Apparently I didn't miss much.
    You miss enough to not know how it all ended. And now you can't comment on it and if you do you will just sound like the other Blush lovers in this topic.

    And we all know you can't talk to a Bush lover without the same old tired tin foil smack they seem to use to avoid the truth.

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    So does this mean we're only going to discuss the religion aspect of the movie. I'd like to hear from you guys on the Fed parts of it.

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    Actually I got bored when nothing happened after two minutes.

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    Actually I got bored when nothing happened after two minutes.
    Translation: I was intimidated and I turned it off like a coward.

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    Aha, but you are a Jesus truther. That makes you a kook.

    Did WTC 7 fall down for our sins?
    Did you just admit that your conspiracy theories about the World Trade Center and New World Order are analogous to religious faith?

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    No really -- nothing happened at all. Just a bunch of file footage. Berlin Alexanderplatz moved faster than this turkey.

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    So does this mean we're only going to discuss the religion aspect of the movie. I'd like to hear from you guys on the Fed parts of it.
    We hashed the Truther BS over and over again last year. It got old. It didn't really matter what evidence people came up with, if it didn't fit the Truther narrative they simply ignored it.

    Example:

    Truther: "If the steel wasn't cut by thermite, then why was all of it quickly whisked away and melted down? What are they hiding?"

    ChumpDumper: "Here are two hundred photographs of structural steel from the WTC site quarantined for the investigation."

    Truther: *crickets*

    Three days later

    Truther: "They melted down all the steel and sent it to China! If it weren't thermite, they would have kept the steel for the investigation. They're hiding it!"

    ChumpDumper: "Here is a link to the two hundred photographs of structural steel from the WTC site quarantined for the investigation that I posted three days ago."

    Truther: *crickets*

    Repeat for three months.

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    Truther: "There is no engineering explanation for how a plane impact could have made that hole in the Pentagon."

    Sane Person: 'Here is the engineering explanation for how the plane impact made that hole in the Pentagon."

    Truther: "SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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    We hashed the Truther BS over and over again last year. It got old. It didn't really matter what evidence people came up with, if it didn't fit the Truther narrative they simply ignored it.

    Example:

    Truther: "If the steel wasn't cut by thermite, then why was all of it quickly whisked away and melted down? What are they hiding?"

    ChumpDumper: "Here are two hundred photographs of structural steel from the WTC site quarantined for the investigation."

    Truther: *crickets*

    Three days later

    Truther: "They melted down all the steel and sent it to China! If it weren't thermite, they would have kept the steel for the investigation. They're hiding it!"

    ChumpDumper: "Here is a link to the two hundred photographs of structural steel from the WTC site quarantined for the investigation that I posted three days ago."

    Truther: *crickets*

    Repeat for three months.
    I was thinking more along the lines of the fed stuff in the movie. I agree that no matter what happened on 9/11 the arguement will wage.

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    Example:

    Truther: "If the steel wasn't cut by thermite, then why was all of it quickly whisked away and melted down? What are they hiding?"

    ChumpDumper: "Here are two hundred photographs of structural steel from the WTC site quarantined for the investigation."

    Truther: *crickets*
    Look how much footage they have on the JFK assassination and they still haven't come clean on who was really responsible.

    Pictures don't mean according to you and Chump when you see pics like this.




    You can't have it both ways either pics are proof, or they are not.
    Not just when you and Chump want to used them.

    Pat Na!

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    Truther: "There is no engineering explanation for how a plane impact could have made that hole in the Pentagon."

    Sane Person: 'Here is the engineering explanation for how the plane impact made that hole in the Pentagon."

    Truther: "SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
    Sane Person: Dead people don't rise from the dead.

    Sane Person: If the carpeting in your office catches fire, the whole building won't fall down. Especially if the building is made of steel.

    Kook: Jesus turned water into wine.

    Kook: I drank too much wine.

    Nutjob: Jesus walked on the water, just like Poseidon. Its a miracle!

    Sane Person: You can walk on a frozen lake.

    Moonbat: The assassination of Julius Caesar was NOT an inside job.

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    lol at this thread

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    Translation: Cop out.

    You must have been intimidated. If it was that funny why not watch more? Unless you don't like comedies.

    I think deep down your scared.
    I didn't watch more for the same reason I don't watch Hannity and Colmes. Just because something is so illogical as to produce laughter, doesn't mean I should waste an hour watching it. And what the am I scared of? I'm not a Christian, and am totally agnostic.


    You miss enough to not know how it all ended. And now you can't comment on it and if you do you will just sound like the other Blush lovers in this topic.

    And we all know you can't talk to a Bush lover without the same old tired tin foil smack they seem to use to avoid the truth.
    I didn't vote for Bush either time, but just because I didn't want him to be president doesn't mean I think that he's the ing anti-christ. The tin foil hat crowd needs to get over themselves.

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