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[Ghost Writer]

Nah... he was, but would Rose have been any less?

And Barbosa is pretty good.

Who resulted in the other first rounder?

[FromWayDowntown]

I think Mohammed made a huge difference to those Spurs, if only because his presence meant that the Spurs didn't have to start Rasho throughout that playoff run. Nazr was 5th on that team in playoff scoring and 2nd in rebounding, so it's pretty tough IMO, to argue that he made no difference or that things would have been the same with Malik coming off the bench. Plus, Nazr's deal was far more cap-friendly for the Spurs than Malik's was.

Barbosa is pretty good, but there's also no evidence to suggest that the Spurs would have drafted him had they kept that pick. The best argument in your favor is that keeping the pick might have encouraged the Spurs to draft Josh Howard. Then again, the justification for dealing the pick in the first place was to clear cap room to make a push to acquire Jason Kidd while replacing David Robinson.

New York turned around and drafted David Lee with the pick that the Spurs dealt for Mohammed.

[T Park]

Nah... he was, but would Rose have been any less?

I dunno.

Mohammed had some pretty Fing strong games in the playoffs.

I think against the Sonics he put up 20 and 10 in a crucial game 5 where it was him and Manu against them.

Mohammed in those playoffs was the best center since DRob left.

Shame he reverted back to Old Nazr after that ended.

[T Park]

New York turned around and drafted David Lee with the pick that the Spurs dealt for Mohammed

The Spurs probobly wouldn't have drafted Lee either.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think against the Sonics he put up 20 and 10 in a crucial game 5 where it was him and Manu against them.

He had 19 and 7 in that game, but was 8-10 from the floor. He and Manu (39 points on 10-15 from the floor, 4-6 from the arc, and 15-17 from the line) had help from Duncan, who went for 20 and 14 in a game that the Spurs won by 13.

[T Park]

Yeah the one play I remember well was him downlow Ginobili throwing him a no looker and him throwing one down on Nick Collision for a HUGE and 1.

[TDMVPDPOY]

didnt we also missed out on josh howard who was drafted in the 2nd round after someone we drafted, due to one of our scouts at WF who......arrgggg what couldve been

[Ghost Writer]

So it was Rose, Barbosa and D. Lee for Mohammed

[TDMVPDPOY]

So it was Rose, Barbosa and D. Lee for Mohammed

ROSE was a straight up trade with the knicks for NAZR

barbosa traded on draft night to the suns, for a draft pick and trade exception i believe

[Russ]

Only other real player in the pipeline is Tiago Splitter. Splitter looks like he has the potential to be a taller, longer, more talented version of Oberto somewhere down the line.

Splitter may be closer to Gasol than Oberto. Oberto looks like the floor for Splitter, the ceiling may be very nice.

[Ghost Writer]

ROSE was a straight up trade with the knicks for NAZR

barbosa traded on draft night to the suns, for a draft pick and trade exception i believe

False.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/rose_050224.html

[FromWayDowntown]

So it was Rose, Barbosa and D. Lee for Mohammed

and a championship. Yup.

[Ghost Writer]

Mohammed was not the difference maker and arguably not as good as any of the components of that trade.

[FromWayDowntown]

Mohammed was not the difference maker and arguably not as good as any of the components of that trade.

Okay -- so you're admitting that the Spurs would have won the 2005 le with Rasho Nesterovic starting at center?

[Ghost Writer]

Rasho and Rose... possibly.

Quite frankly, I don't have a big problem with the deal.

I take issue with people like you who pretend it did not come at a significant cost.


I like "win now."

[FromWayDowntown]

Rasho and Rose... possibly.

Quite frankly, I don't have a big problem with the deal.

I take issue with people like you who pretend it did not come at a significant cost.


I like "win now."

They made a "win now" move with Mohammed. Since that's your mantra, I'm not sure why we're arguing about this, unless your mantra is really "try to win now, but better if you can build for the future."

You can't have it both ways, no matter how much you try to.

Furthermore, I'm not saying the deal didn't have a cost; I am saying, however, that the cost was balanced out by the fact that the deal netted a le that I don't think the Spurs would have otherwise won.

[Holt's Cat]

Passing on a Howard or Barbosa was bad, but I think the Rose trade was the worst. The Spurs could have used those two picks, plus given their history Pop and Malik would have found a way to work it out.

Overall, their record's been damn good using their late 1st and 2nd round picks. It could have been ridiculously good if they had drafted Howard and kept the two picks they traded to the Knicks.

[Mr. Body]

Passing on a Howard or Barbosa was bad, but I think the Rose trade was the worst. The Spurs could have used those two picks, plus given their history Pop and Malik would have found a way to work it out.

Agreed, even if they wouldn't have picked Howard that year. The Rose trade wasn't that great in retrospect, was another one of those 'kill assets to save money' deals that bites you in the ass down the line (now) when you most need developing youthful players.

[samikeyp]

Mohammed was not the difference maker and arguably not as good as any of the components of that trade.

Gdub....you mean Nazr and his 20 head fakes wasn't the key in 05?



Wasn't Javkotas touted as someone who was going to be good before his accident?

[Mr. Body]

Wasn't Javkotas touted as someone who was going to be good before his accident?

He was, and still seems to be decent, if only in Europe.

[El_Mago]

Sanikidze was not drafted by us.

He was traded to us via Atlanta.

[ploto]

Udrih sucks. He only tries when he starts. Check out his numbers now that he's back to the bench in Sacramento.

In 4 games off the bench- Beno is shooting 45% and averaging 7.75PPG. Still a lot better than Jacque's exciting 4 PPG and 40% FG.

And hey- at least Sacramento can beat Seattle.

[Ghost Writer]

FWD, listen to your fellow Spurs fans in this thread.

Aside from Parker and Ginobili, the Spurs have managed to squander virtually every other draft pick.


Do NOT make the mistake of suggesting Mohammed was better that year than Rose and 2 first rounders could have been.

[FromWayDowntown]

FWD, listen to your fellow Spurs fans in this thread.

Aside from Parker and Ginobili, the Spurs have managed to squander virtually every other draft pick.


Do NOT make the mistake of suggesting Mohammed was better that year than Rose and 2 first rounders could have been.

Here's what I know: since 2001, the Spurs have use their draft picks to acquire:

1. A 2-time All-Star point guard who's 7 years in and still only 25 years old.
2. A backup point guard who played a crucial role on a championship team.
3. A starting center who played a crucial role on a championship team.
4. A 21-year old big French kid who can jump out of the gym.
5. A young, bruising Brazilian big man who was slated at one point to be a lottery pick.

Now, could they have done more? Sure. But have they been ineffective? Absolutely not.

Have the picks been squandered? I guess that depends on whether or not you believe that acquiring key pieces to 2 championship teams is an ineffective use of draft picks. I don't. No peer pressure is going to change my mind on that.

[MI21]

The Barbosa one shouldn't be held against them. He was drafted for the Suns, not drafted by the Spurs and then they decided to trade him away. That makes that a difficult situation to judge.

On a pure talent standpoint, I doubt he would of blossomed into the player he is now, playing in the Spurs system. I don't particularly like the player he has become anyway because I think he is a definite product of his system, but yeah, I'm not sure the Spurs are to blame for letting him go, he was drafted for the Suns.