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    In some respects, McCain is Bush on steroids. McCain actually fought in Vietnam while W was defending the Texas coast from the Vietcong. McCain's campaign is almost exclusively about his biography and national security. The challenge for any Democrat will be to somehow extricate and highlight the issue of Iraq to McCain's detriment. Yet McCain can claim that he was not a part of the bungled post-war planning, that he was a major proponent of the increase in troop strength which has been perceived to improve the situation in Iraq.

    If a voter is going to base their vote on whether or not it was a good idea to invade Iraq, McCain won't get their vote. But if they are going to base it on who can find a way to improve the situation, I think McCain will be in a good spot. I will also say that of those who say it was a mistake, many will be mollified if a way is found to improve the situation for the US. Given how Iraq has been presented in this country within the last few months by the media, the general impression is that the situation is more and more under control. This bodes well for McCain.

    In the end, McCain wants this election to be about...John McCain. Nobody has his biography. Plus he's shown time and time again that he will do what he thinks is right rather than march in lock step with his party.

    So McCain is the most electable, but he's not really going to provide much of a change over the previous administration, be it national security, foreign policy, or domestic policy.
    Agreed, but is Clinton a real change either? Foreign policy-wise.

    Domestically.....I could see no worse candidate to guide this nation through the coming years. Not a one.

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    Edwards' dropping out helps Clinton. I don't care if Edwards goes so far as to kiss Obama on the lips, his supporters will jump to Clinton, not Obama.


    People will go to the polls specifically because they hate Hillary Clinton and want to vote against her. Obama is just as liberal as she is, but he does not conjure up the personal animus she does. I wish people voted solely out of dispassionate regard for the issues, but you know as well as I do that such is mere fantasy.
    Once people know Obama better he will make Hillary look conservative. I would argue people don't know much about Obama except that he's a nice guy.

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    It will be interesting to see who if anyone Edwards endorses.....there's a 50-50 chance he could play middle of the road like Richardson for now, but I think he should jump on the Obama ticket early and often....

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    Once people know Obama better he will make Hillary look conservative. I would argue people don't know much about Obama except that he's a nice guy.
    The combination of his liberalism with his likability and his charisma makes him especially dangerous, because he might actually be able to persuade people to take more liberal positions on the issues.

    I just don't think a tack of "Look how liberal this guy is!" works on Obama, except with conservative voters who never would think of voting for a Democrat in the first place.

    But it's a moot point, at least for 2008. I think Hillary has the nomination sewn up, and I think she's going to lose to John McCain.

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    The most dangerous liberals are the ones that run as Republicans, ramp up federal spending to unconscionable levels, and manage to discredit any notion of the attractiveness of limited government and fiscal responsibility.

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    Obama's middle name is Hussein. That makes him dangerous and against "freedom".

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    The combination of his liberalism with his likability and his charisma makes him especially dangerous, because he might actually be able to persuade people to take more liberal positions on the issues.

    I just don't think a tack of "Look how liberal this guy is!" works on Obama, except with conservative voters who never would think of voting for a Democrat in the first place.

    But it's a moot point, at least for 2008. I think Hillary has the nomination sewn up, and I think she's going to lose to John McCain.
    Only the new millenia Democratic party stands a chance of returning a Republican to office with the current one's approval numbers. Republicans, apparently, are capable of lifting to the podium the most electable (read that the one who most easily can distance himself from the current admin.) among themselves.

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    "ramp up federal spending to unconscionable levels,"

    St Ronnie TRIPLED the national debt during his disease-addled terms.
    Last edited by boutons_; 01-30-2008 at 05:45 PM.

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    "ramp up federal spending to unconscionable levels,"

    St Ronnie TRIPLED the national debt during disease-addled terms.

    Seriously, learn to use the ing quote button.

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    Barack is what the democratic party needs now and needs to get back to. Too many have fallen for the "liberal" label as means to say he is dangerous. A conservatives like Romney and Huckabee scare the out of me who want to turn back to clock of progress.
    No thanks.

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    This election is just plain depressing, and has been since day one.

    It's always been evident that the nomination would go to either Clinton or Obama and, without even bothering to look at such silly little things as policy and platform, neither one of them is even remotely electable. Even if Hillary weren't violently hated by all of the GOP and a good portion of the Democrats, there's just no way in we've moved far enough as a society to allow ourselves to call a woman or a black man president.

    So... (at least) four more years of the Rep's in the office.

    w00t.

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    Personally I think we have, had, one of the best field of candidates we've had. What is depressing to me is the lack of participation our country has when it comes to our national elections. And to think there are people around the world who don't even the right to vote and we so much take it for granted.
    Even more depressing is to hear those who about things yet will not at least vote.

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    As long as the Republicans don't try ride with the Mormon, the election is already over. It's 2008 but no black man or woman is going to become president. Edwards I think was the Democrats best option if they actually wanted to win the Presidency.

    I don't even think Obama has a chance against Hillary. It's going to be Hillary versus McCain most likely and McCain should win that pretty handily. Personally, McCain strikes me as a bit crazy and a bit too old but he has this in the bag already.

    Suspense over.

    (Unless, of course, it becomes The Woman vs. The Mormon. Now in that race, I have no idea who'd win.)

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    an obama vs mccain race would marry the conservative and aryan vote.
    Yep, all those KKK democrats would vote republican for once.

    Wow... is this the first time we agree?

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    Once people know Obama better he will make Hillary look conservative. I would argue people don't know much about Obama except that he's a nice guy.
    I don't see it that way. Obama is just more open and honest. We see clearly the type of liberal he is. Hillary is a communistic and socialistic who lies and cheats. If elected, she will take so many lemmings by surprise, and be far more liberal than Obama in the long run.

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    The southern Dem KKK switched to Repug in the 70s, as part of Nixon's strategy and that strategy has been followed ever since.

    Even Southern Dems still can't find a way to vote for a black, simply because he's black, no matter what his program is. he's black, period.

    It sure looks like the Dems are gonna run a candidate that can't beat McCain.

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    Obama's middle name is Hussein. That makes him dangerous and against "freedom".
    I think you and I agree more often than not.

    I have in one post, pointed out my concern for his Muslim origins, but I am not serious about that. I do think he is an American at heart, just not a conservative one. Without credible evidence to connect his name and heritage to him, I think it's a mistake to do so.

    Come on Holt... We are better than the slanderous demonrats, right?

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    I sent Edwards an email asking him to support Barack so it should be a done deal.

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    This election is over until McCain says something stupid, which shouldn't take much time.

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    I sent Edwards an email asking him to support Barack so it should be a done deal.
    did james earl ray have any sons?

    i think it will be interesting to watch all racist throw away their political party beliefs for the sole purpose of preventing a black man from becoming president.

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    John Edwards Drops Out..


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    Who Will Edwards Endorse & Where Will His Supporters Turn?


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    As long as the Republicans don't try ride with the Mormon, the election is already over. It's 2008 but no black man or woman is going to become president. Edwards I think was the Democrats best option if they actually wanted to win the Presidency.

    I don't even think Obama has a chance against Hillary. It's going to be Hillary versus McCain most likely and McCain should win that pretty handily. Personally, McCain strikes me as a bit crazy and a bit too old but he has this in the bag already.

    Suspense over.

    (Unless, of course, it becomes The Woman vs. The Mormon. Now in that race, I have no idea who'd win.)
    I think you are wrong. America IS ready for a woman or African-American president and the time is now. I do thiink the "hate Hillary" part of the republican party could be a major force but I wouldn't count an a McCain victory at all. I see a Democrat in the White House after the election is over.

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    Barack is what the democratic party needs now and needs to get back to. Too many have fallen for the "liberal" label as means to say he is dangerous. A conservatives like Romney and Huckabee scare the out of me who want to turn back to clock of progress.
    No thanks

    Yeah more money for you, less government.

    Soooooo scary.


    I personally find people that want to take my money and pussify this nation more more scary, but continue to wear the french flag in your back pocket and straighten your beret.

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    Yeah more money for you, less government.

    Soooooo scary.


    I personally find people that want to take my money and pussify this nation more more scary, but continue to wear the french flag in your back pocket and straighten your beret.
    I wear the American Flag on my arm Thank You very much.

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