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    Truth be told. I won't like him too if he'd go "Game 5" on my team.

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    Truth be told. I won't like him too if he'd go "Game 5" on my team.
    I don't hate the guy at all. It's just that I don't really like him. It's not dislike. And, it's not because of Game 5. It's more because he plays for a Cleveland team. But, duke has been ballin for a while now. He's the best player in the game.

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    Well at least I used the right word.

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    Cool he really ripped out the hearts of the Blazer fans with those threes... Lebron is proving more and more to be legitimate talent on the level of the greats. He worked on his J in the summer and I was impressed with his improvement on D. With his size and athleticism, he can only get better.

    On a sidenote, Lebron is helping the Spurs out indirectly in the standings with his West Coast trip..

    Beating both Blazers and Lakers

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    After what he did to us in the 4th quarter I'm convinced...
    I thought Brandon Roy was the best.

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    Lebron has the potential to surpass Kobe, no doubt about that. If he can develop a jumpshot he would be absolutely unstoppable, even more so than he is now.

    Still, I give the nod to Kobe. Kobe has a complete all around game, he has no weaknesses as a player. Plus Kobe has 3 rings and has proven to be a clutch player in the playoffs, when it really matters. Until Lebron has the post season success that Kobe has had I'm hesitant to give him the nod.
    this quote is from the same guy earlier this week said the Cavs could never beat the Pistons in the playoffs...like it didn't already happen

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    Kobe has a complete all around game, he has no weaknesses as a player.
    Yes he does. He still doesn't know how to be a true leader. There are FAR too many times when he shows that he doesn't know when to take over games. Either he takes over too early, and ends up taking too many dumb shots and passing up easy opportunities that his teammates have found, or he takes over too late, after sitting around and watching his team allow the other team to go on a 16-0 run, instead of taking over and stopping the bleeding as soon as it starts. That is a BIG difference between him and Lebron. Pretty much any time Lebron sees his team start screwing up and the opposing team starts going on a run, he just takes the ball, drives down, and dunks to stop the bleeding, and get his team some momentum.

    Don't forget, when Kobe and Jordan started, they wasn't exactly high percentage jump shooters. Kobe didn't really get a consistent 3 until around his 7th season. Took Jordan several years too. But early in their careers, they were like Lebron has been. They could get hot from the 3 point line, but were never really consistent with the long ball. They made a living with the mid-range and driving game, and as defenses adjusted to them, they developed that outside shot.

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    Kobe has nothing to prove to anybody in the NBA.

    If Lebron is better than him so be it. He doesn't care.
    Not really. Kobe hasn't proved he can lead a team anywhere on his own. Lebron has gotten to the finals, upsetting the hands-down favorite in their conference on the way with one of the greatest playoff performances in NBA history. Where has Kobe gotten? Oh yea, the 1st round... and then left his teammates hanging in a game 7.

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    I like Kobe better than LeBron. I'm far from a Kobe-hater. And, before this season started and through most of the first half of this season, I have been very adamant that Kobe is still the better player between the two. My opinion has just changed over the last few weeks, which included watching LeBron outplay Kobe in a match up between their two teams and not only play better offensively, but successfully defend Kobe one on one in the fourth quarter. I don't particularly like LeBron. But, right now, he's playing much better basketball than Kobe Bryant.
    , he locked up Kobe in the late 4th quarter in both games this year, while making plays and hitting big shots on Kobe on the other end of the court. Head to head this year, Lebron has totally eaten Kobe alive.

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    i just loved how Lebron locked down Kobe on Sunday in the 4th

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    I thought Brandon Roy was the best.
    B-Roy is a great player. He's not LeBron though...

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    LeBron is so powerful…He tucks the ball under his arm like a full back & bulls his way over everybody…

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    Lebron has the potential to surpass Kobe, no doubt about that. If he can develop a jumpshot he would be absolutely unstoppable, even more so than he is now.

    Still, I give the nod to Kobe. Kobe has a complete all around game, he has no weaknesses as a player. Plus Kobe has 3 rings and has proven to be a clutch player in the playoffs, when it really matters. Until Lebron has the post season success that Kobe has had I'm hesitant to give him the nod.
    I don't get the rings argument when talking about head to head skill between Kobe and LeBron. Kobe had Shaq in his prime, otherwise he'd have zero les too.

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    I don't get the rings argument when talking about head to head skill between Kobe and LeBron. Kobe had Shaq in his prime, otherwise he'd have zero les too.
    I'd like to know what people think about this...

    If you replace Kobe with Lebron for those years in LA, does LA only get 3 les? Do they have the messy breakup that they had?

    I think LA would have won 4, maybe 5 straight, and possibly another one or two if they had Lebron instead of Kobe.

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    No amount of leadership skills would have helped Kobe lead a team starting Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker into the Finals. That argument is re ed. The fact that they made it into the playoffs is an accomplishment IMHO.

    I guarantee you Kobe doesn't give a about who is the best player in the NBA right now. He's been there and done that. It's all about rings and championships right now, and that's where every Laker fan's mindset is. We don't give a about Lebron.

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    I'd like to know what people think about this...

    If you replace Kobe with Lebron for those years in LA, does LA only get 3 les? Do they have the messy breakup that they had?

    I think LA would have won 4, maybe 5 straight, and possibly another one or two if they had Lebron instead of Kobe.
    So how many rings has Dallas won? You will never win when your best player is a mentally weak pussy like Dirk is.

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    No amount of leadership skills would have helped Kobe lead a team starting Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker into the Finals. That argument is re ed. The fact that they made it into the playoffs is an accomplishment IMHO.
    I was talking about back when Kobe was playing with Shaq, stupid.

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    So how many rings has Dallas won? You will never win when your best player is a mentally weak pussy like Dirk is.
    You must be spursdynasty. Only he gets so off-topic so quickly to take shots at people or teams that aren't even a part of the discussion.

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    Oh please like you dont do the same. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. You're just a whinny little like the rest of the Mav fans, pissed off because you know you will never win a le. Pissed off because you blew two golden opportunities to get a ring because your franchise is a joke and your star player is the biggest pussy in the NBA.

    And newsflash winning championships is a team effort. No player in history has ever gotten it done on their own. They've all been surrounded by great role players. Now that Kobe finally has some help we are seeing just what he can do when he is the leader of the team.

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    Oh please like you dont do the same. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. You're just a whinny little like the rest of the Mav fans, pissed off because you know you will never win a le. Pissed off because you blew two golden opportunities to get a ring because your franchise is a joke and your star player is the biggest pussy in the NBA.
    Wow... i see a meltdown coming if we keep messing with Jeff... i mean spursdynasty... i mean ducks... i mean DazedAndConfused...

    And newsflash winning championships is a team effort. No player in history has ever gotten it done on their own. They've all been surrounded by great role players.
    Uh... when did I ever argue that, jeff?

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    Seems like you're the one who is DazedAndConfused here. You just criticized Kobe for not being a great leader when no leader could have taken that team anywhere. Now that he has talent and is deferring to his teammates it's like he's discovered some skill he never had. When he has the talent surrounding him Kobe has no problems deferring.

    And stretch I don't give two s about you. You're a joke just like your boy Marky Mark.

  23. #48
    we rang stretch's Avatar
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    Seems like you're the one who is DazedAndConfused here.
    wow...

    You just criticized Kobe for not being a great leader when no leader could have taken that team anywhere. Now that he has talent and is deferring to his teammates it's like he's discovered some skill he never had. When he has the talent surrounding him Kobe has no problems deferring.
    Well, he had a chance to lead his team to a game 7 victory against the suns, but instead decided to sit back and watch his team everything up.

    More recently... he had a chance to lead his team to victory against the Spurs, but once again, sat back and watched his team it up.

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    denial is a river in Egypt.

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    denial is a river in Egypt.
    Wow, so you mean to tell me that anyone that doesn't believe Lebron is the best in the NBA is floating in a river in Egypt? Neat.

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