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Seriously, you should read what I wrote before posting.
"...declare in the region..."
It's not that they drag their feet, it's that the lame ass liberal tree hugger folk have put up so much damn red tape to build a new one, it'd be easier for Osama bin Laden to fly commercial to the U.S. than to build a new refinery in this country.
Here's some light reading for you:
http://www.arizonacleanfuels.com/index.htm
It's taken them over six years of fighting court battles, permitting, and legal studies just to get where they are at (and nowhere near being ready to start producing gasoline).
boutons - yep, this is all W's fault. His grand plan 20-30 years ago to have people in China and India start popping out kids left and right to raise their populations and the subsequent increase in automobile ownership and fuel consumption is finally coming to fruition.
What a clever one he is
Seriously, you should read what I wrote before posting.
"...declare in the region..."
Wow, so you are all reading averse?We don't need no facts in here.
you said region, but you also said primary source. It's obvious our primary source is NORTH AMERICA!!!
I still wonder why boutons has responded to Tesoro losing
money in the fourth quarter. Maybe he is still partying.
So Aggie would welcome a dirty coal-fired plant, or nuclear plant, looming over his home or over his kids' schools. noted. NimbyWorld is open for business everyday.
The demographics and resource consumption of China and India, and of the entire planet, have been known with increasing accuracy for many decades.
It's obvious to any observer that oil demand is expected to outstrip oil supply at some point, sooner rather than later. dubya and Repugs, as purchased by the corps, have done effectively nothing to reduce per capita US oil consumption, even making the world much worse off with the corn-ethanol boondoggle, while giving 10s of $Bs annually to the energyco's for "research".
Explain to me what Clinton did in his 8 years in office to "reduce oil consumption"? Or what the next Democrat/Republican in office will do......absolutely nothing.
Look, I know you're dumb but...dubya and Repugs, as purchased by the corps, have done effectively nothing to reduce per capita US oil consumption, even making the world much worse off with the corn-ethanol boondoggle, while giving 10s of $Bs annually to the energyco's for "research"
it's your democraptic buddies in Congress who have put up all the frickin' environmental roadblocks to building new refineries. Don't blame this on W. and Republicans, liberals have been blocking new refineries for nearly three decades now.
Nimbyworld?You've already got significant refinery infrastructure in place outside of Houston, it'd be easy to add to what's already there.
Did you read the Arizona refinery link I posted above? They moved it away from the population base in their state. It doesn't have anything to do with nimby. Land is cheaper away from population centers, and there's nothing wrong with building our 'dirtier' infrastructure outside of our population bases.
I guess if you had it your way there'd be a nuclear reactor in the middle of every major city with a big bullseye on it for al Qaeda
The good news is that the lib tree hugger folk seem to be warming up to nuclear, guess we'll find out how committed they are as the South Texas Nuclear Plant has applied for permitting to build two new nuclear reactors.
As to the corn-ethanol problem, you prove you don't have a ing clue about that one by blaming it on Bush and "Repugs". BOTH sides of the aisle railroaded that one through on the American public, let's not get revisionist here croutons.
That policy does suck, but that's what happens with all the lobbying in D.C. Of course, the EU, China, and others are also mandating greater percentages of ethanol in their fuels, so the world as a whole is going to continue feel the ethanol crunch.
But don't let that stop your limp wristed attacks on the Repubs, you don't have any credibility on this board anyway so carry on with your baseless rants.
Meh, its a wash.
Mexico/Canada = 33%
Middle East = 21%
Africa = 21%
Central/South America = 18%
Various/Domestic = 7%
Saudi Arabia alone provides 14%. 98% of all Saudi production is exported into America.
Seriously, when you mention war, you mean Iraq. Don't back track and try to skew your words after you were made to look ignorant.
Seriously, no I didnt. I mean what I say, insinuation is reserved for those with other peoples hands up their asses.Seriously, when you mention war, you mean Iraq. Don't back track and try to skew your words after you were made to look ignorant.
just admit you're wrong. 21% from the middle east doesn't represent primary source. it's a 1/5th. also, why leave out domestic production out of your analysis? that takes north america up to 65%!!! You're frustrating because you can write arguments that sound great, but this isn't the first time your argument is devoid of facts.
Ah come on boutons. Give us a small comment on Tesoro losing
money. Hey they are an oil company too. Losing money doesn't
count, it is only when they make money that it is wrong.
Fair enough. Since I actually have to type out the words "I was wrong" for you to believe it happened, there ya go.
Blow me. Its called making mistakes, and I treat ST as an opinion forum....I try to recall things as best I can from memory, and cite sources that may (or may not in some cases) to back it up.You're frustrating because you can write arguments that sound great, but this isn't the first time your argument is devoid of facts.
Every time I post in here, its not like I have one window for ST and another with Wiki/Google/Washington Post. I dont take it that seriously.
When i heard about this a few days ago the 6th thing to pop into my mind was that boutons____ would post this as an anti-shrub post in the political forum.
So America's problem with gasoline consumption is that it doesn't have enough refineries? and you call me dumb?
The oilcos have been hesitating to build new refiniries due the dubya ing around and ing up subsizing corn-ethanol such that demand for gasoline is unclear, AND the refiners are quite happy to have their refinery supply restricted for whatever reason as it allows them to raise the price and refining margins at the refinery gates.
Last edited by boutons_; 02-05-2008 at 01:51 AM.
Can you read?
^^boutons has a real reading comprehension problem. And
besides you didn't use enough profanity, so he wasn't sure
what you said.
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