Stats just don't bear that out.Finley was known for sucking in the playoffs when he was in his prime with Dallas.
In 5 playoff seasons with Dallas, Finley averaged 41 minutes, 18 points, shot 42%, averaged 5 rebounds, and 3 assists.
During the saem 5 regular seasons, Finley averaged 39 minutes, 19 points, shot 44%, averaged 5 rebounds and 3 assists.
That is about as close as you can get comparing the two. If anything, stats come down a little in the playoffs because most teams play a little better defense. He just got blamed for Dallas failure because he was one of their studs.
I wouldn't trade a guy like Finley who has proved with the Spurs hes pretty damn clutch in the playoffs while Mike Miller makes Cliff Robinson look like Vinnie Johnson.So you wouldn't trade two very inconsistent swing man for a solid, consistant 15 point swingmen who shoots 50 percent and 43 percent from 3??
Yeah in the regular season.I'd do this and I could care less on T parks opinion, it would make us better..
Playoffs? Hed shrink and you guys will wonder, "man, wheres that dude that dropped 8 3s and 20 some odd points in the clinching game vs Denver last year?
Or the guy who had stud threes after threes against the Suns and Jazz?
But but but Mike Miller has awesome hair!!!
If your a "stud" for your team, 42 percent isn't exactly perfoming well. That's T-mac like without the absord volume of shots T-mac actually puts up.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-01-2008 at 07:29 PM.
So after 3 playoffs of choking that doesn't make one a choker?Saying Miller sux because he can't perform in the playoffs is like me telling Ray Allen to shoot the best of 3 jump shots from 18 feet. And since he missed all 3 that would make him a horrible shooter?
Genius
I agree Finley was clutch against Denver and somewhat against Phoenix last year. Had some big shots against Dallas in 06'. But Miller is the better player clearly, He hasn't had the chances or opportunities to show he can perform in the playoffs like Finley does. Saying Miller sux because he can't perform in the playoffs is like me telling Ray Allen to shoot the best of 3 jump shots from 18 feet. And since he missed all 3 that would make him a horrible shooter.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-01-2008 at 07:05 PM.
You can repeat it all you want, but Finley was a huge reason the Spurs got to the Finals.
Without him they don't get out of the first round.
Miller is a better player yes. Hes just a shooter though and thats about it. When his shots off, he doesn't do much else.
Fact.
So after 3 playoffs of choking that doesn't make one a choker?
Genius
lol In memphis he played a total of 12 games he shot 42 percent from the field and 37 percent from 3 averaging 9.3 points per game in 26 mpg...
That's not exactly choking coming from a role player.
lol and what else does Finley do besides chuck up shots? Rebound? No, hes not a better rebounder than Miller. Can Finley create shots for other players? No, but Mike Miller can. It's not like Finley gets his hands on a lot of balls either. Finley is more of just a shooter than Miller if you ask me.
Im not worried about that.
Having a guy like Thomas would be great.
Great insurance in case you play the Rockets.
Good player that can keep up with a fast pace as evidenced in Phoenix.
To offer Splitter wouldn't be worth it, unless we are recieving an 10-8 big along in the package. I wouldn't be so trigger-happy to let Splitter go, especially for someone like Mike Miller.
i dont know if anyone here has checked out espn.com lately, but they have a "trade machine" where you can test trades between teams & most of the options on here would work. i know that its just a simulation, but its something to look at and maybe have some hope for..... check it out if you get a chance. (its on the nba front page)
like Barry, Bonner & Sanikidze for Thomas works
Barry & Vaughn for Miller works
those 2 seem like we would gain all around & still keep Splitter, Mahimi, Finley and have depth at the 1
more consistency at the 2 and more defensive help for Tim
any comments on that?
^ You trade two times Barry ?
lol Your a little late my friend. Go back and read the posts in this thread. And you included Barry twice.
oops...my bad.....
well you get the idea of what i meant....
there ARE options for us to make us better and give our team support.
90 minutes late? for what?
Yes, there are options but it's way easier for fans to make fantasy trades than for GM to make real trades.
Anyway, welcome on the board, cash459.
thanks...yeah, i know that its easy to be an arm chair GM, but i just wish that the Spurs would make some moves to help us out....
The other day timvp made a very good case for why Kurt Thomas wouldn't help SA much, and I agree with him:
"Plus Kurt Thomas and Tim Duncan would form a frontline that is too immobile. If a team went small against the Spurs, the Spurs would get killed. Oberto, Bonner, Horry and even Elson work well next to Duncan because they are mobile and are able to step out on the perimeter if needed. Thomas couldn't and then he's not able to take advantage of small defenders.
If this were 1998, then yeah Duncan and Thomas would be a nice frontline. But it's 2008 and with the rules how they currently are, teams will go small and destroy that pairing...
...Thomas gets blocks against players he's guarding. He doesn't block shots when playing help defense. If you are going for a shotblocker, you want a weakside shotblocker to play next to Duncan.
And again, Thomas is no shotblocker. Horry is more of a shotblocker."
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...t=85945&page=5
Elson+Finley+enticements for Miller and I'm all over it - don't want to give Splitter away though, nor Mahinmi if possible.
Miller is an all court player, does everything - at the moment he's grabbing 7 boards and dishing 4 asts to add to his 17pts as a 3rd option! And I'm not convinced that he'll disappear in the playoffs like Hedo.
As for Fin, he took a discount, got his ring, so trading him away for the 30-odd games left in his career is not a huge betrayal. HE GOT WHAT HE CAME FOR. Miller shores us up at the swing positions... Manu/Bowen/Miller/Udoka/Barry sounds pretty good to me! And then we only need to add one swing to replace Barry for next year.
Finley AND Barry??? for miller. no way.
Finley and Barry have proven they contribute in the playoffs. no way.
Let me remind Spur fans there is no way in these players will be traded:
Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Parker, Finley, Horry
BTW, Elson+Finley for Miller doesn't work anyway. Barry+Elson for Miller does.
Mike Miller seems to be in the PHX-mold that Memphis now wants to play. Why would they trade him?
Who knows, but I've seen it mentioned in the media.
Maybe they are going with a youth movement and clearing capspace?
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