Bringing Bowen off the bench is pointless. You may as well trade him.
Bowen is here to neutralize the best opposing perimeter player. Sometimes he fails... more often, he succeeds. It's no different than Manu or Parker having 20 points one night and 6 points the next.
Not a horrible idea. I know it sounds a little crazy but isn't bruce in his early thirties? Although we never brought David off the bench this is exactly what POP did with Drob. Remember all the es from the fans, "why was robinson not in the game", but come post season he usually had Fresh legs.
See, this is what you do that is stupid...this is what you did in the Barry debate, you crystalized the argument into something it was never about...Barry's set minutes, and now, because Barry is playing slightly over what you think was the decided threshold of appropriate minutes, you are engaged in non-stop self sucking..because you think you are right and Barry is now being used correctly...but you have forgetten what lead to that argument and that really the only thing you were right about was that Pop was going to play him more than 10 mins per game...that in and of itself doesn't mean Barry is being used better...
The truth of the matter is, he is being used better but Pop has still been a little flakey with his usage, ironically we keep losing those games so Pop is forced to not let Barry rot...
Yes I can because it's pretty clear that all of these guys should get a chance to impact the game, in both halves, I when they aren't given that opportunity...that's what sets me off...it doesn't take much since his doing that is usually accompanied by a loss.If you don't think minutes should be set, then it's not really different from what the Spurs are doing now. You can just stick with your vague "I want this guy to play when I want him to play" missives.
For instance, Horry not getting a second of PT in a loss to Orlando, when even the Horry haters were saying he had been the best bench big...
For instance Barry not getting a second of PT in the second halves of several losses or near losses(because of TO's and blown leads).
To me it's pretty obvious that it doesn't do much good to play Bowen 35 minutes unless the team has a dominant perimeter scorer...
Remember, the Kobe/Shaq dynamic that made Bowen such a valuable cog, is no longer in play in the NBA....Kobe busting out for 35 points is not as devastating as it once was because he no longer has Shaq in the middle.
And like it or not, Bowen is on the decline, D is the first thing that goes...he can still do it on any given night...he just can't do it on every night...like he used to be able to do.
There are certain teams though which still make Bowen's skill set a valuable one...
Seattle
Phoenix
Sacramento
Houston
LA still...
Save him for those games, start him if you like, I feel that Bowen or Barry are a better choice to close games but I think this team needs to have Devin Brown getting more PT than either Barry or Bowen....#1.Devin has the legs to get the most minutes. #2.He is more complete than either of them. #3.He has more upside at this point than either of them.
Barry never had the chance to earn his time until now.
You can't put a player on the court for only 5 minutes and have big expectations.
If you're on the bench, you aren't really hyped up, you aren't very sharp as if you would be playing right after warm-ups.
Pre-game warm-ups mainly help starters, Barry finally had the chance to show he can play.
I know I'm right (numbers don't lie unless you are posting them) and Barry is never going to be played exactly the minutes you want him to play or the way you want him you micromanaging twit.because you think you are right and Barry is now being used correctlyYes, we've been over your 82 and 0 with Barry being used "correctly" theory -- tiresome.ironically we keep losing those games so Pop is forced to not let Barry rot.
And what numbers would those be?
I await the self asskicking you are about to give yourself...
If Barry doesn't see action in a half or if he isn't given a chance to impact the game, because Pop is pussing out...I'll .and Barry is never going to be played exactly the minutes you want him to play or the way you want him you micromanaging twit.
We'd have never been 82-0 but 3 of our losses were the direct result of Pop's coaching...Yes, we've been over your 82 and 0 with Barry being used "correctly" theory -- tiresome.
The losses in and of themselves don't bother me that much...it's the fact that we have choked in nearly every big game we have played this season, and it's been our coach that lead the choke..that worries me.
I know I know...you suck Pop nightly...so just save it.
TPark does it better..
TPark brings better aruments than you and he is more honest as well.
There's a whole thread about that, idiot.And what numbers would those be?You'll no matter what. Don't front.If Barry doesn't see action in a half or if he isn't given a chance to impact the game, because Pop is pussing out...I'll .Yes, that and nothing else -- we understand that he takes and makes the shots and defends all the players and causes our TOs. He certainly shares responsibilty for the losses, but your precious players are man enough to admit when they up too.We'd have never been 82-0 but 3 of our losses were the direct result of Pop's coaching.
Yeah, Horry ed up by not inserting himself into the Orlando game for even a second of play.
STFU.
Pop must have called for him/her/it
And by the way...when are you going to update those minutes? STFU and get to it.
piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss piss
somebody please mop up and flush you're are finished.
Not to intrude on the quote fest, but...
whott:
Ray Ray has lit up Bowen both games vs. Seattle. All you have to do to beat Bowen on the perimeter is involve him and Tim on the pick and roll, game over.Seattle
Phoenix
Sacramento
Houston
LA still...
Well Ray Allen isn't the only one on those teams that lit Bowen up...he also got lit up by Peja, TMac and..well even though the Grizz aren't on that list he got smoked by Bonzi as well.
Bowen's pretty much gotten smoked in all of our losses...
My point is that he would do better in those games where his skills were needed if we weren't playing him 35 mins a game against like...hmmmmmm New Orleans for example.
Bruce knows how to handle the picnroll, he just doesn't have it every game like he used to...IMO this is due to age more than anything...and it affects his shooting in the post season as well.
Bruce is a specialist at this stage IMO, and should be used as such...he should not be used as a big minutes guy or as an all situations type guy...he's got too many weaknesses in his game and his age is catching up to him.
I hear a lot of people saying we would get nothing from him if he moved to the bench...
Well we'd still get defense from him, and whether people want to realize it or not, Bruce is not a good offensive player...he's a smart player and the team is capable of performing very well with him in the lineup...but if Bruce isn't defending well he is a huge liability, we should do everything to keep him rested so he can perform when he is most needed.
I just think we'd end up a better team by the time the playoffs roll around if Devin were the starter...I think Devin would be an emerging stud by then and I think Bruce would have a lot more energy to do what he does.
I still think we will win the le...but I'd feel better about our chances if I knew Bruce was fresh going into a series with a tough perimeter scorer.
Like Ray Allen...
LMMFAO @ AHF!!!!!Still waiting for his pump fake to work.
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