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And Trent Dilfer
If that is the criteria, then you would have to include Bart Starr and Jim Plunkett too.
Last edited by samikeyp; 02-04-2008 at 02:20 PM.
And Trent Dilfer
Dilfer only won one. PW was talking multiple wins without a loss.
I'm not sure if I agree with that logic. So if a QB has a bunch of playoff failures but they don't happen in the Superbowl and he wins two or more Superbowls, somehow he's a greater QB than a guy that has multiple Superbowls, fewer playoff failures in the first, second, or third rounds, but has a Superbowl loss?
Don't try to understand it, just enjoy the fact that the Pats and Tom Brady now have credit for one of the biggest choke jobs in sports history.
I don't have a problem understanding it. I have a problem agreeing with it.
I don't really care that you feel the Pats choked. I don't think it was a choke. I think the Giants played better. And, I'm not a fan of either team, so it's not that big of a deal to me. I did want to see the Pats win just to finish a perfect season. Historically, I thought it would be great. But by all means, enjoy what you consider a choke.
Dude, I was joking and referring to the fact that we are just piling on the Pats and their fans.
Lighten up.
It wasnt a choke, they werent up 21 to nothing in the 4th and lose, they got outplayed the entire game. Choking is having something easy in your grasps, and blowing it. They never had that game in their grasps.
And by all means, keep enjoying it.
They were up for 4 for 3 minutes to play and the Giants on their 17.
They had Eli sacked, which would have made it 4th and 10 with a minute left.
They had the game ending INT go off fingertips.
The choke is debatable, but the game was definitely theirs for the taking.
That's true.
Peyton > Brady = Bradshaw.
Both Brady and Bradshaw had amazing teams, and benefited from being the right QB in the right team. Bradshaw had the Steel Curtain, and Brady has had great OL and WR support.
At least Bradshaw performed consistently well in all his Superbowls. In fact his postseason/SB performaces were better than his regular season stats. Brady had a fun time setting records in the regular season behind his formidable O-line, and withered like a lily when faced with a good pass rush. He doesn't move well enough, and clearly got rattled and started making mistakes. He had the better receivers, and couldn't take advantage of it.
I'd rank Montana, Elway, Unitas, Peyton, Favre, Bradshaw and Marino over Brady.
Aikman and Staubach
Damn good list.
Brady didn't always have great receivers. Troy Brown and Deion Branch are a couple of 5-9 receivers that Brady made look better than they are. Where are all those guys now? Deion Branch was sooo good in Seattle? What the happened to David Givens?
And, having that formidable O-line through the entire season doesn't mean when that O-line can't pass block in the Superbowl.
Peyton is not > than Brady. And, I wouldn't take Bradshaw over him either. All the other guys you listed I wouldn't argue with.
Not as good as Montana? I agree.
Not as good as Aikman? I disagree.
But wouldn't you say Aikman is tougher than Brady?
I think a QB that can take a hit but still deliver is more valuable than a QB that cannot. Especially if they are a similar talent level.
Look, Brady had enough time to adjust. The pass rush was strong all night long, and for 3 quarters he held the ball too long, didn't move the pocket, made bad passes and got knocked the F down time and again. Only in the 4th quarter did it finally occur to the "greatest QB alive" that he'd be better off throwing shorter, quicker passes.
On the other hand, Eli saw very few blitzes, but he adjusted. When they did get to him he scampered and made a great pass. The last NYG play, they blitzed and he calmly delivered to Burress. He read that defense perfectly in the clutch. While Brady hung on to the ball and as a result spent more time on his back than a hooker on dollar night. Where was all the championship experience? He folded like a cheap tent.
That isn't a top 5 QB of all time, not even close. He had the better team, couldn't adjust, screeched like a girl at his O-line and his WRs and basically took it up the pooper all the while looking like a dazed rookie. To say he's better than Bradshaw, who suffered a freaking concussion while throwing a 64-yard bomb to Swann late in the 4th quarter to beat the Cowboys is a real stretch.
Soft, overrated and exposed. Or maybe we should be blaming Belichick for not taping the Giants' signals?
Your hate is transparent. Nothing I can say will change your mind. You're en led to your opinion. I simply disagree with it.
Brady in last nights game was Peyton in the 2005 playoffs against Pittsburgh. A great QB no doubt, but even a QB that's guaranteed to be going to Canton can look bad when they don't get protection. Brady had time to read War & Peace while he was in the pocket all year. NY didn't even give him enough time to read Green Eggs and Ham. And when he did get time, he held onto the ball too long.
Frankly, NY figured out how to beat the Patriots and left it to the Patriots defense to win the game. And they only proved that they are overrated. That ESPN dude is right, the Pats defense is so old right now that if they don't improve it fast, they really will become the ghost of the 2004 Colts.
Funny you can realize this when it's not happening to your own team.
I bet you there were fans who said the same thing about Joe Montana after the '85, '87 and '88 seasons.
Aikman never lost a Super Bowl.
Its kind of a damn shame Aikman doesn't get more credit for how good a QB he was because of the Cowboys ability to run the ball during his era.
But he did win 3 Super Bowls!
Aikman played with an all-world supporting cast.
Brady still could go down as the best qb ever imo
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