It appears that Shaq should have participated in his little "Fat Camp" TV show that aired last year. Apparently he missed his own personal message that he was attempting to send to the obese kids in North America.
Actually, the Suns staff says he has already lost some weight and says what ails him will be easy for them to fix, they say he will be fine.
And it already seems that he has rejuvinated the entire team and city, so he is already having an effect without playing.
Yeah, if the Spurs don't acquire an athletic big or a big bruiser Thomas or Brown type, they are gonna have to pray that Elson is enough of a hack or body to body him up. Wich, in its self, is the most frightening thing I've ever typed.
For sure, it's terrifying to me thinking of a motivated Shaq in the playoffs being guarded by Elson and Oberto. They would be in foul trouble in 5 minutes, then what? Bonner and Horry on Shaq or Bonner and Horry on Amare?
what else are they going to say, he is fat and out of shape, has bad hip/knees, etc. Of course they are going to try and make themselves look good when talking about the deal....all i can say that if shaq was dogging it in MIA and wasnt as hurt as he claimed, then that would be just sorry bc DWade is bustin his ass playing with that sore knee and shoulder among other nagging injuries
Ok your right, the medical staff (who are arguably the best in the NBA) looked at him, saw he couldnt play, told Kerr that, Kerr said that, whats 40 mill to Sarver?, and did the trade anyway.
Dont be a idiot, thats why teams give physicals.
And Wade isnt 36, its a lot easier to run around and bust your ass on a ty team when your young and take all the shots in an offense.
um, ok......
I don't think the Suns would have traded Shawn Marion for Shaq if they didn't believe that Shaq was in good shape and that the medical staff could improve his health by the playoffs.
im just saying he has been hurt all year and the past few seasons...for him to all of a sudden start playing well and be heathly would be kind of shaddy, but thats just my opinion
You should have more confidence in our guys. Oberto played so well against Shaq when we visited Miami last year and Elson played very well against Shaq in the game 1 this season.
Don't worry. Shaq isn't the key. I'm sorry for the Suns fans but he is done.
Its a lot easier to play hard when you have an actual team around you. Its not Shaq's fault that the stupid ass Heat didnt address his aging by putting players around him to tale the pressure off. Its kind of hard to want to play hard and come back from injury quickly when your offense consists of running down the court to watch Jason Williams or Ricky Davis jack up a shot and have to run back.
Jason ing Williams
Its easy to disregard Shaq, but the guy can still play when healthy, and his averages are still overall better than 70% of the centers in the league.
Where on earth are people getting this idea that Elson can guard Shaq?
Elscon can't guard him...and neither can Horry. Shaq will demolish them. They are too light to defend him.
Duncan is the only guy on this team with the mass to do it....Bonner might the only other guy with a build to pull minutes on Shaq, but even he's really too light to do it.
The ugliest site I have ever seen was watching Horry try and defend Shaq VS LA in 04....you are asking too much of Horry when you ask him to do that.
The guy puffed himself up to the max just to be able to defend a guy Duncan's size. Shaq is out of his league...and Elson is lighter than Horry is.
Elson may resemble Drob physically but Drob went 250+ and had sick upperbody strength that was probably close to Shaq's....Elson weighs about 230.
Go out and try and guard a semi truck on the highway...then you'll have some kind of idea of what you are expecting of Elson.
Not to talk , but Oberto has never played well against Shaq. All he does is get in foul trouble and try to flop, I think he might actually be scared of Shaq.
I love my Spurs, but Im not going to pretend that the the centers they have on their rosters can hold up even against the corpse of Shaq.
this isn't 2004 shaq. he can't dunk over the top of people anymore. just stay between him and the hoop, and his lack of touch around the hoop is escalated.
that said, i don't love the match-up of elson or horry on shaq. but there are worse or lighter defenders than those two who have had some success against shaq the last couple years.
Yes, because Shaq has been SO dominant against lesser players this year and last season.
Wtf? He's THAT dominant but he's averaging 15 and 7-8 in the -filled Eastern Conference? Do you really think Shaq is going to go from coasting and gaining weight to ROAR APE-ZILLA 300 pounds flat Shaq that scores 47 and 25 a game on us? You CANNOT loaf for two years and then all of a sudden dominate the NBA. Shaq's reactions are slowed. He's not nearly as mobile. He doesn't have any lift, and he doesn't have NEARLY the quickness that allowed him to spin past other defenders when he was giving the Spurs fits during the Lakers le run. Shaq almost set the record for consecutive foul-outs this year because he's a walking charge. He does not have the ability to get by defenders, so he goes over them. Why would a Spurs defense that's tops in the league every year be scared of THAT?
Yeah, right, Shaq can just kick it in anytime he feels like it. That's why the Heat got swept by the Bulls last year in the playoffs. He said he was going to dominate then, too, if memory serves.
What's he going to do against the Spurs in 24 minutes? What's he going to do hurt? What's he going to do standing at one end of the court while the Suns try to run with him?
Who are the Suns going to send out to guard Manu, Parker, Barry now? They have NO defensive answers for a team that already SUCKED on defense.
And as for Marion being overrated. Well, let's see. He's averaging 16/10 and 2 assists to go with 2 steals and 1.5 blocks this year. He drains the three and is the Suns best fast-break weapon. Yeah, you're right, SO overrated for the 3rd option on the team. And... oh yes, he plays defense as well. Because I said he deserves the MVP, right?
I can't believe many fans on this site have forgotten that defense doesn't always show up on a stat column, and therefore think Marion is overrated. It's incredible. He's THE hustle player for the Suns.
I think the Spurs should sign George Gervin. I mean, he's torched the Lakers in their meetings every year, so how the would they guard him? He can hit any shot he wants and he's got an amazing repertoire of shots. It makes perfect sense that there are maybe 2 players in the league that could even hope of containing him. While we're at it, let's bring D-Rob back. He scored 71 in a SINGLE GAME. Who's going to stop him? Let's sign Hakeem too -- then we'd have the best frontcourt in NBA history!
But keep on talking to us, Mardigan. You are a Spurs fan, aren't you?
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 02-07-2008 at 02:25 PM.
Dont be such a little , who have I talked to?
About his scoring, why dont you do me a favor and go look at his shot attempts. A player averaging 14 points on 58% shooting probably should get more than 10 shot attempts a game.
And as I stated previously, 19 and 9 in the PO's last year with a hurt Wade and no point guard was obviously Shaq's fault for getting swept.
You dont need five guys to run a fast break either. 4 is good enough.
His skills are declining, but I think he can still put enough effort to make one more run with the best point guard he's ever played with.
Am I a Spurs fan?
The final act of a man with arguments, question his loyalty right? I'm just not a blind homer like 80 percent of this board is.
Ask Yao if he can still ball, as he was dominated by Shaq pretty easily earlier this year.
Last edited by mardigan; 02-07-2008 at 02:50 PM.
Yeah Shaq has game and with Kerr saying the doctors figured out his lift and jump problems, that pretty much seals the Spurs needing to get a big big guy to guard him.
Or at least, attempt to...
Hmmm, many ppl - especially this board - said the same about Hill.
Um...Shaq is still a bull, he can still knock them out of the way just by shrugging....and do it so effortlessly he won't get called for a foul while doing it. In fact he's probably better at that now.
And for a guy who can't score at a hight PCT worth a he sure is shooting at a nice PCT....his FG% is 58!%. That would seem to indicate he's still pretty effective around the basket.
Miami Heat blows their team up. Suns make an idiot trade. Everyone in the West is going to beat on them now. Utah, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs, Warriors. Suns are going to get beatdown so bad it isn't even funny.
This post reminds me of...
Well, let's see here:
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And the ever classy:
Yep. Man. You sure do respect other people enough to have civilized discourse with them.
My comment had nothing to do with the arguments being presented. Be a little more condescending in your arguments, kay? Thaaanks.Am I a Spurs fan?
The final act of a man with arguments, question his loyalty right? I'm just not a blind homer like 80 percent of this board is.
Ask Yao if he can still ball, as he was dominated by Shaq pretty easily earlier this year.
The Suns will still make a run, but they will NOT win the le (IMO). They match up horribly on defense with the Spurs now. If Shaq doesn't rekindle his 03-04 self with a lot of mobility, they are going to have zero post rotation defense. A slow Shaq and an invisible Amare to stop penetration? What are the Suns going to do to limit the Spurs in the open court now? They have no one to get back and guard.
There is no evidence to suggest that Shaq will be a success in Phoenix. A training team declaring he is fit is light-years away from a player stepping into a completely unfamiliar system which has traditionally not emphasized his style, fitting in, gelling with the players, and producing numbers in extremely limited time. And this is all assuming he's 100% healthy from here on out. Yeah, good luck with that.
Please quit disrespecting my man BARRY!
Also, EJ had a lot of REALLY lame points...
I agree with this. I think KT had merits to stay another year. He played TD decently enough.
Not only could they have signed Thomas, but they could have still traded Marion to get another 3 like AK-47. Or traded him for a couple of great position players.
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