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  1. #26
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    Investigation of what? Following the rules? If the league doesn't like the CBA they signed they're free to sit down with the union once the season is over. Right now, there's nothing they can do.

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    What Stack does means nothing.

    The NBA would need direct evidence of his buyout and return to the Mavs being a part of the deal brokered. He's part of the deal but only if you buy him out type of thing. Good luck with proving that, even if it is indeed what happened.

    Right now, all they have is a player who learned he is being traded and bought out saying he wants to go back to his original team after 30 days, which is perfectly legal.

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    Investigation of what? Following the rules? If the league doesn't like the CBA they signed they're free to sit down with the union once the season is over. Right now, there's nothing they can do.
    Even having an oral agreement for resigning Stackhouse before this trade is done and he's waived violates the CBA in the same manner the Joe Smith fiasco in Minnesota did.

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    but enough evidence for su ion/investigation and possible halt to the signing.
    care to provide a link to the rule that it is something that can/will be investigated/halted?

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    Even having an oral agreement for resigning Stackhouse before this trade is done and he's waived violates the CBA in the same manner the Joe Smith fiasco in Minnesota did.
    How so? There's a rule: wait 30 days until you return to your original team. That's the disincentive that was put in after the KVH/Alan Henderson trade. The Mavs are willing to wait that long.

    Next topic.

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    They need conclusive evidence that Dallas & New Jersey conspired to do this, not just hearsay from Stackhouse.

    Nice try.
    You mean like Memphis and Los Angeles conspired to get Gasol to the Lakers for nothing?

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    Even having an oral agreement for resigning Stackhouse before this trade is done and he's waived violates the CBA in the same manner the Joe Smith fiasco in Minnesota did.
    No. The Joe Smith fiasco happened because they put it on paper:

    This is what happened in 2000 with Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Smith left the Philadelphia 76ers in 1999 (following the lockout) to sign with the Minnesota Timberwolves for their $1.75 million Mid-Level exception. They made an under-the-table agreement that Smith would play under three consecutive one-year contracts at below market value, and the Timberwolves would reward him by using their Bird rights to sign him to a huge contract beginning with the 2001-02 season. Unfortunately, they reduced this agreement to writing, and the written agreement eventually found its way into the league's hands.

    But if there's no hard evidence, there's nothing to prove.

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    Ask Pop and his trade committte..maybe he has the answers.

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    No. The Joe Smith fiasco happened because they put it on paper:

    This is what happened in 2000 with Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Smith left the Philadelphia 76ers in 1999 (following the lockout) to sign with the Minnesota Timberwolves for their $1.75 million Mid-Level exception. They made an under-the-table agreement that Smith would play under three consecutive one-year contracts at below market value, and the Timberwolves would reward him by using their Bird rights to sign him to a huge contract beginning with the 2001-02 season. Unfortunately, they reduced this agreement to writing, and the written agreement eventually found its way into the league's hands.

    But if there's no hard evidence, there's nothing to prove.
    They were busted because they put it into writing. The act was against the CBA and league rules even if they didn't put it into writing.

    If there's no hard evidence, there's no way to prove it without someone admitting it.

    Here's the pertinent section:

    No Unauthorized Agreements.
    (a) At no time shall there be any agreements or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), between a player (or any person or en y controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) and any Team (or Team Affiliate):

    (i) concerning any future Renegotiation, Extension, or amendment of an existing Player Contract, or entry into a new Player Contract;

    ii) except as permitted by this Agreement or as set forth in a Uniform Player Contract (provided that the Team has not intentionally delayed submitting such Uniform Player Contract for approval by the NBA), involving compensation or consideration of any kind to be paid, furnished or made available to the player, or any person or en y controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of the player; or
    ...
    c) A violation of Section 2(a) above may be proven by direct or cir stantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a).
    Last edited by fyatuk; 02-14-2008 at 05:04 PM.

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    Ask Pop and his trade committte..maybe he has the answers.
    Pop's commitee aproved of the trade because it benefits the Spurs.

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    They can investigate all they want, but it's worthless unless they find some hard evidence. And Stack shooting off his mouth wouldn't hold up as a piece to convict himself.
    It isn't a court of law and doesn't have to meet those standards. Stern is judge, jury and hangman and if he decides it looks like it's publicly putting into serious doubt the integrity of the league he'll cut Dallas and house off at the knees.

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    It isn't a court of law and doesn't have to meet those standards. Stern is judge, jury and hangman and if he decides it lloks like it publicly it's putting into serious doubt the integrity of the league he'll cut Dallas and house off at the knees.
    Yeah, and the NBPA will have no problem with that.

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    Yeah, and the NBPA will have no problem with that.
    NBPA won't give a rat's ass. It doesn't want to go out and defend every moron in the league.

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    Even having an oral agreement for resigning Stackhouse before this trade is done and he's waived violates the CBA in the same manner the Joe Smith fiasco in Minnesota did.
    I believe this is correct, will search for the rule when I get home. I could care less what happens either way, but its interesting.

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    NBPA won't give a rat's ass. It doesn't want to go out and defend every moron in the league.
    I'm fairly certain they'd step in to defend the "moron" involved in one of the biggest trades this season. It's not like he's a nobody and this is some inconsequential trade.

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    I believe this is correct, will search for the rule when I get home. I could care less what happens either way, but its interesting.
    I don't really care either. It's a violation, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.

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    They were busted because they put it into writing. The act was against the CBA and league rules even if they didn't put it into writing.

    If there's no hard evidence, there's no way to prove it without someone admitting it.

    Here's the pertinent section:
    No Unauthorized Agreements.
    (a) At no time shall there be any agreements or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), between a player (or any person or en y controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) and any Team (or Team Affiliate):


    good find! thats exactly what I thought!

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    I'm fairly certain they'd step in to defend the "moron" involved in one of the biggest trades this season. It's not like he's a nobody and this is some inconsequential trade.
    They don't give a rat's ass about the trade, whether it gets made or not.

    They probably care that some moron is mouthing off and undermining a rule they negotiated so now the league will come back asking for harder rules like more than 30 days or they can't go back to the team that traded them that year.

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    How magical was it for Alan Henderson to return to the Mavs after the KVH trade years ago? Just an odd coincidence that he came back to Dallas. I'm sure there was no negotiating going on in that case. None at all. Odd how the league didn't pursue an investigation if it was so obvious (as posted by many Mavs beat men at the time) that Henderson would return. The difference is that Henderson didn't speak on it like Stackhouse did (even though Stack was talking before anything was official), but still - there was a negotiation, nonetheless, and it happened as the Mavs wanted it.

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    How magical was it for Alan Henderson to return to the Mavs after the KVH trade years ago? Just an odd coincidence that he came back to Dallas. I'm sure there was no negotiating going on in that case. None at all. Odd how the league didn't pursue an investigation if it was so obvious (as posted by many Mavs beat men at the time) that Henderson would return. The difference is that Henderson didn't speak on it like Stackhouse did (even though Stack was talking before anything was official), but still - there was a negotiation, nonetheless, and it happened as the Mavs wanted it.
    Did Henderson go off to the press how the trade was bogus to get the deal done and he'd be waived and re-sign with the Mavs after a months vacation?

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    No, but there was obviously an understanding that he would return and everyone in the Dallas media was reporting as such.

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    No, but there was "obviously an understanding that he would return and everyone in the Dallas media was reporting as such.
    I guess if questioned house can always claim extreme stupidity, that he didn't know what he was talking about. Stern would probably buy that

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    I guess if questioned house can always claim extreme stupidity, that he didn't know what he was talking about. Stern would probably buy that
    What are you so bitter about? Isn't a Kidd to Mavs trade great for San Antonio?

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    I guess if questioned house can always claim extreme stupidity, that he didn't know what he was talking about. Stern would probably buy that

    Ahahaa...yeah, that's what Stack will try to play off. He changed his tone when on with Stephen A. today, though. Said a lot of "maybes" and "we'll sees". Sounds like someone told him to shut the up and change his tone.

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    What are you so bitter about? Isn't a Kidd to Mavs trade great for San Antonio?
    Don't like house. Actually I hope the deal goes through.

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