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    Anyone who thinks that a little more motivation is all it needs to rejuvenate Ben Wallace is kidding themselves. No amount of motivation can compensate for the loss of ability caused by AGE. Ben can no longer do the things he used to, his body just won't allow it.


    And no thanks to looney tunes. Artest has never shown he can contribute as a winner.

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    Injuries are different from what your talking about though my friend.
    Didn't Tedy Bruschi suffer a pretty serious injury.

    Common sense tells me he shouldn't be playing football anymore.

    But guess what, he is.


    Point is, I still think Brent is more than capable of contributing this year.

    Let him go out a champion.

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    I've got some ocean front property to sell ya remintonbo, PM me.

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    He will but hes mid 30s and has injured the calf muscle pretty good twice.

    Common sense tells you that hes not gonna be the same when gets back.

    Barry is a shooter, and he's getting some valuable rest. When he comes back (after having had ample time to properly heal) he will need only 5-10 games to regain his rhythm.

    Being 'older' just means his injuries take a longer time to heal - and we're not talking about an exponential curve here... it doesn't mean that he won't heal at all. Based on the report released after his MRI he should be back by mid to late March. Why would you claim that Barry is done?

    I think he was rushed back into playing after his first injury, either by his own initiative or a lack of restraint from the Spurs' medical staff or coaching staff. Other than jammed fingers, and twisted ankles - the commonplace injury in basketball... this is Barry's first extended injury not confined to the above group. You act like his age has made him more injury prone. These are professional athletes we're talking about here; athletes who have the benefit of being provided with excellent and expedited healthcare, treatments, first aid etc...

    Besides, why is everyone so eager to trade Barry for players who will likely not learn the Spurs system by the time the playoffs roll around? And for players that likely won't help the Spurs retain their le, no less? You don't deal away his experience simply because his contract is a desirable trade commodity unless you are getting immediate help for this season and flexibility or talent for the future.

    Furthermore, the Spurs have typically needed at least five players with acceptable 3pt point accuracy on the squad to flourish offensively (Horry, Manu, Finley, Bowen, ?). Particulary because with that many deep threats the likelyhood that all of them have an off game the same night is much lower. If the Spurs trade Barry's expiring contract, can they count on Damon and Udoka to fill a 40+ 3pt% void?

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    ]Barry is proving hes good for handing out gatorade right now and will more than likely not play again for the rest of the year or be the same.[/b]

    Kurt Thomas gives you someone to guard Shaq and Bynum.

    As stated in the "Trade for Kurt Thomas" thread.
    Wow dude - you're on a roll pulling out of your ass lately.

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    There was some talk on PTI too, via Jason Kidd. After Mike "Asterisk" Wilbon was reminded that the Spurs exist, he differed with Kornheiser in thinking that the Spurs need something push them past LAL and PHX.

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    BTW these clips are available on ESPN video.

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    Imagine a small ball lineup of Duncan-Artest-Udoka-Bowen-Ginobili while Parker is out.. How sick would our defense be?

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    As long as Artest doesn't forget to take his meds.

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    I've got some ocean front property to sell ya remintonbo, PM me.


    If it's along the northern Californa coast......

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    Imagine a small ball lineup of Duncan-Artest-Udoka-Bowen-Ginobili while Parker is out.. How sick would our defense be?
    Wouldnt be too hot when Gasol manhandles Artest in the Post for 30 min a game.

    And since when was "Small ball" the goal here? small ball.

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    Imagine a small ball lineup of Duncan-Artest-Udoka-Bowen-Ginobili while Parker is out.. How sick would our defense be?
    Small Ball AND Artest? This suggestion is really firing on all cylinders of fail.

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    Wow dude - you're on a roll pulling out of your ass lately.
    It happens once every 5 years.

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    You take a only once every 5 years??

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    Small Ball AND Artest? This suggestion is really firing on all cylinders of fail.
    A big well rebounding small forward that can guard nowitki and gasol or whatever?

    It has the suggestion of firing on all cylinders of success.

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    You take a only once every 5 years??
    Gets painfull.

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    You take a only once every 5 years??
    You know how much money he saves on not buying toilet paper???

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    nobody in that audience had a clue who Jack Benny nor Phil Harris was.

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    Why do you guys want to hold on to Berry so bad? I would understand if we didnt bring in D. Stoudamire but since we did Berry is expendable. Stoudamire is a shooter who can put it on the floor and create for others just like Berry.

    Kurt gives us a solid 3rd big in our rotation and 20 -30 good minutes of low post defense on the opposing teams best big. I think he would be especially good vs a guy like Gasol.

    With Kurt were able to match up great vs every team we play in the playoffs.

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    A big well rebounding small forward that can guard nowitki and gasol or whatever?

    It has the suggestion of firing on all cylinders of success.
    You really think Artest could guard Gasol in the post?

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    trading away a legitimate 3 pointer shooter and stop-gap point guard in barry?

    elson and bonner should be our trade pieces. don't care if noone wants them. don't trade away barry.

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    Paige is a DENVER columnist - of course he wants us to make a stupid trade like Wallace or Artest. On Artest, he is the ultimate CANCER, and more than that just fuggedabou - Pop acquires players with character, team guys, and that is not Artest. I would be extremely surprised if Pop traded for Artest - in fact, he simply WON'T.

    I don't think there will be a major trade after such a successful RRT without Tony. I think the "we're doing it with this group" speech will come out the day after the trade deadline. If anything, we might see Elson and a 2nd rounder swapped for a 6 foul low-post defender type like one of the Collins brothers.

    I hope Barry does come back after the ASB. His shooting, passing and energy change the nature of the second team. He is an important cog.

    Besides, why is everyone so eager to trade Barry for players who will likely not learn the Spurs system by the time the playoffs roll around? And for players that likely won't help the Spurs retain their le, no less? You don't deal away his experience simply because his contract is a desirable trade commodity unless you are getting immediate help for this season and flexibility or talent for the future.

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    Why do you guys want to hold on to Berry so bad? I would understand if we didnt bring in D. Stoudamire but since we did Berry is expendable. Stoudamire is a shooter who can put it on the floor and create for others just like Berry.

    Kurt gives us a solid 3rd big in our rotation and 20 -30 good minutes of low post defense on the opposing teams best big. I think he would be especially good vs a guy like Gasol.

    With Kurt were able to match up great vs every team we play in the playoffs.

    Damon hasn't really learned our offensive sets yet....

    Barry is a much better passer in the open court than Damon is or ever was.... Other than Ginobili, Barry is the one other guy who can consistently get our center(s) easy points - in particular Oberto.

    Think about it; Tony gets most of his assists by dishing it out to the Spurs' spot up shooters, but rarely gets points for our centers (not named Duncan). Ironically, Tim probably works the inverted pick'n'roll with Tony more often than the traditional one.

    Also, Kurt Thomas is more likely to get hurt than Barry.

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    You really think Artest could guard Gasol in the post?

    Heck yeah. Gasol is a softie and can be pushed out quite easily.

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