Manu Ginobili (a thread for NON Spurs fans)

[JamStone]

Amusedday ... see man ... I told you that was crazy long. Don't know if you had the patience to go through much of it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I JUST finished reading it, so good timing.


It's a lot to sift through, but I wish there was a way to paste it here, because you bring up some excellent points.

I think in terms of pure basketball talent, Mcgrady > Manu

but like you said, it's Manu's heart and determination that really gets the two to become very comparable

Also that Nitro guy is a moron. Manu is a third wheel and a role player? uhh what??

The Spurs wouldn't have any rings from 2005 or 2007 had it not been for Manu, and had it not been for his steal at midcourt from R. jefferson, we easily could've been looking at a game 7 in the 2003 finals.

You were also spot on about the team being 1a 1b and 1c in terms of options on offense for SA. I actually PREFER Manu taking the final shot over TD, because he can hit from outside and inside.

I feel that TD would just get hammered in the post with a no call at the buzzer. (refs hardly call fouls with 5 seconds or less left, so I think we're better off with manu creating his own shot in that situation)

I'm also gonna say this:

Manu would get the rockets past the first round. He may go through inconsistency periods, but he would have a fourth quarter outburst and at least let them see rd. 2. I also think he's a FAR better passer than T Mac. The Nitro was making T-Mac come off as John Stockton with his ability to play PG, but I don't buy it. I mean, Fabricio Oberto probably owes his career to Ginobili, whereas T-Mac probably hurts Yao more than helps him. He's the wrong player in the wrong system.


The thread you posted in was a great read

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Basically, I think it's gotten to the point where Mcgrady's rep has exceeded his skill level.

At least for this season.


I also have a LOT of beefs with several of the top 10 at each position lists on that forum

[JamStone]

Nice. I'm impressed. Don't know if I could have gotten through it if I hadn't been part of the discussion. But, hey, I am a Manu slappy. Love watching that guy play.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It was a great discussion, and Nitro had some decent points, but he sold Manu way way way too short.

I mean, if he still thinks of Manu as a third wheel and a role player, it's gonna be very hard to convince him that he's better than T-Mac, or even making it a debatable argument. To him it's an argument of a roleplayer vs a player who has gotten 2 scoring les and an ice pack for his back.

[Road Warrior]

I'll take Manu over this guy any day.

[JamStone]

You may have seen that Nitro and I started the discussion because I placed Manu Ginobili 4th on my rankings of shooting guards, after Kobe, Iverson, Wade and ahead of T-Mac and Joe Johnson. That's how much of a Manu slappy I am I guess. But, since Nitro is a Rockets fan, I guess it was two biased people going at it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You may have seen that Nitro and I started the discussion because I placed Manu Ginobili 4th on my rankings of shooting guards, after Kobe, Iverson, Wade and ahead of T-Mac and Joe Johnson. That's how much of a Manu slappy I am I guess. But, since Nitro is a Rockets fan, I guess it was two biased people going at it.

Yeah, I noticed he was a Rockets fan, but considering how injury prone T-Mac and after his complete failure to deliver anything close to a championship, I'm surprised Rocket fans support T-Mac the way that they do.


I think putting him at #4 is a pretty solid spot for Manu. My biggest gripes with his game are his turnovers, and the fact that he does play a little bit up and down at times.

[O-Factor]

There sure is a lack of Suns fans in this thread. I'd like to hear their thoughts.

[JamStone]

I used to really disliked when Manu used to flop a lot. I felt like he didn't need to do it as much as he used to. But, in the last couple seasons, he's done it far far less than he used to. While he's done it less, I still think he reverts to it sometimes when the game is against quality comp and it's a pretty heated atmosphere. That's one of the very few things I dislike about Manu. Thank goodness he doesn't flop nearly as much as he used to.

[stxspurs]

She's aite but she ain't no Scarlett Johanson or Angelina Jolie. She won't take all of her clothes off either so just stop talking about her.

i strongly concur

[word]

He's a great player who always seems to come up huge on the big stage.

That said, guy flops around more than the Azzurri.

I know why he irritates me when he does and it has jack to do with his at ude or Eva. It's when he drives the lane with no where to go and/or jumps in the air looking to pass when there is no place to pass. Since he developed that mid jumper he's a LOT less irritating than he used to be.

Manu irritates me when he plays out of control, makes bad passes and poor decisions. It seem like he does it more frequently than anyone else but he also has the ball more frequently than anyone else.

They all irritate me at one time or another. I could personally kill Jacque Vauhan and his spurstalk apologists. I could kill the Manu apologists. Manu just happens to be really good at the same extreme he can be really bad.

While they can all piss me off at any given moment, I have to sit back and realize what they have done which is pretty remarkable.

[BonnerDynasty]

Manu could easily be "the guy" on another team but he's a team player, selfless, and a very exciting player to watch. That being said his flopping both offensively and defensively is weak pussy . en annoying as if you're the opposition and he gets away with it. I agree with the other poster that commentators need to stfu about Eva. She's aite but she ain't no Scarlett Johanson or Angelina Jolie. She won't take all of her clothes off either so just stop talking about her.

You can say he flops a lot, he does.

But he is probably one of the to toughest mf'ers in the NBA.

The harder you hit him, the harder he plays.

[Fillmoe]

hes a bum...

[Fillmoe]

[SpursFan0728]

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I will say that the he tried pulling during the celtics was beyond inexplicable.


If he had just shot it normally, he might've had a chance to force OT........but instead......ugh

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I will say that the he tried pulling during the celtics was beyond inexplicable.


If he had just shot it normally, he might've had a chance to force OT........but instead......ugh

yeah, that was dumb.

Even the most blatant homer, couldn't rationalize that one. But whatever, no big deal really.
Just as long as he doesn't make that same mistake twice in a future situation.

[diego]

the "melo is a " thread is a couple pages back, since he hasnt done anything noteworthy it got a little lost. if you need help i'll find it for you.

[phyzik]

well, since there was talk about Tony being annoying but not knowinmg why, I'll tell you why he annoys me....

It irks the out of me that he always seems to be focusing more on drawing the foul than actually making the ing shot when he drives... sometimes I wish I could reach into the TV and choke his ass.

[nkdlunch]

In the 4th quarter, Manu is top 5 player in the league. And the best thing is the bigger the game, the bigger he plays unlike many other stars who choke(nowitzki,Tmac,etc)

regarding Tony, he does annoy me as well. But what annoys me is that sometimes he does not pass the ball, he just dribbles and dribbles. and when the paint is closed, he still thinks he can penetrate. a little one dimensional. but besides that he is a great PG

[Kriz-Maxima]

I love Manu, my favorite non piston after Kobe. I didn't used to like him, especially in 05, but after watching him these couple of years he has won me over. He is smart, exciting, hard working and a very good all around player. From him, i dont mind the flopping.

[ancestron]

When Manu does that little pump fake from the 3-point line, waits for his defender to leave his feet and then lunges forward into an awkward shot to draw a foul, do you guys consider that a flop?

[JamStone]

When Manu does that little pump fake from the 3-point line, waits for his defender to leave his feet and then lunges forward into an awkward shot to draw a foul, do you guys consider that a flop?

Case-by-case basis. If the defender falls for it and puts himself in position to foul Manu, it looks like a smart play. When the defender jumps straight up into the air with the principle of verticality and Manu tries to force contact by throwing his body into the defender, then I'd be more likely to call it a flop or flail.

[himat]

This has been a tough debate. Who has the best backcourt in the league? Detroit or SA?