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    I stated my case... the trade looks better now, because Kidd could be off the books in 2009.

    We're winning without Parker now.
    The Spurs are winning regular season games against Eastern Conference opponents in February with Ginobili dropping 40 a night. Whoop de ing do.

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    So you don't do your trade proposal, because you're afraid of replacing Parker... even with Kidd in hand or his max money off the books in 2009?

    You do realize that Parker is not this good as the focal point of a team, right?

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    So you don't do your trade proposal, because you're afraid of replacing Parker... even with Kidd in hand or his max money off the books in 2009?
    That's a 37 year old Kidd who you'd have to pay near max money to in order to retain him past 2009.

    And again, the Spurs haven't done a good job wooing max free agents from other teams, as you've ed about for the last decade.

    You do realize that Parker is not this good as the focal point of a team, right?
    Has he had the opportunity? Parker's damn good in the Spurs' system. I'm not sure how you can't understand that.

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    So you don't do your trade proposal, because you're afraid of replacing Parker... even with Kidd in hand or his max money off the books in 2009?

    You do realize that Parker is not this good as the focal point of a team, right?
    Yeah, so we can sign Rasho again to replace Kidd.

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    You guys have that little faith in the front office?

    Someday, we'll have to rely on more than lottery balls.

    How about we show another kind of "balls."

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    i dont see it good at all....we are winning with manu putting the team on his back....how long do u think he can do that...parker scores and is only going to get better. so if it happened kidd is off in 09 and who is goin g to run the point?.....i dont want to take that chance and hope a big name signs

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    You guys have that little faith in the front office?
    I have little faith that the Spurs would be able to lure a max free agent to small market San Antonio to play in the shadow of Tim Duncan.


    Someday, we'll have to rely on more than lottery balls.

    How about we show another kind of "balls."
    Or the Spurs could show that they are nuts and make such a trade.

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    That's a 37 year old Kidd who you'd have to pay near max money to in order to retain him past 2009.

    And again, the Spurs haven't done a good job wooing max free agents from other teams, as you've ed about for the last decade.



    Has he had the opportunity? Parker's damn good in the Spurs' system. I'm not sure how you can't understand that.
    I object.

    At 37, Kidd doesn't get near-max money and if he demands it, bonjourno to him.

    Parker is excellent in our system, but I do not have delusions of him being a star you build around.


    The bottom line is that you guys have no confidence in our front office with max money to bring in a replacement star...

    ... which should make you more open to a trade such as this.

    One day, it's going to come down to a trade or a free agent signing to reload the team.

    Can't keep counting on lottery balls.

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    I have little faith that the Spurs would be able to lure a max free agent to small market San Antonio to play in the shadow of Tim Duncan.
    You sound like me prior to the 2003 debacle.

    I am cool with a trade like this.

    Parker in 2010 and beyond is not going to carry us to the promised land.

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    superstars have already passed up san antonio.......u want to take that chance so to say we had the balls to do that?

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    I object.

    At 37, Kidd doesn't get near-max money and if he demands it, bonjourno to him.
    Well he isn't going to play for the vet min. And if he isn't worth near max money then you have regressed. Plus you have to count on a max free agent wanting to actually join the Spurs.


    Parker is excellent in our system, but I do not have delusions of him being a star you build around.
    Delusions? He works. It isn't broke. Why create a problem for yourself?


    The bottom line is that you guys have no confidence in our front office with max money to bring in a replacement star...
    I have no confidence that the Spurs can entice a max free agent to join the Spurs in sleepy San Antonio to play in Tim Duncan's shadow. How many big free agent acquisitions did the Jazz make during the days of Stockton and Malone?



    ... which should make you more open to a trade such as this.

    One day, it's going to come down to a trade or a free agent signing to reload the team.

    Can't keep counting on lottery balls.
    When's that "day"? Five years from now? How does Kidd help the Spurs in that regard?

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    I object.

    At 37, Kidd doesn't get near-max money and if he demands it, bonjourno to him.

    Parker is excellent in our system, but I do not have delusions of him being a star you build around.


    The bottom line is that you guys have no confidence in our front office with max money to bring in a replacement star...

    ... which should make you more open to a trade such as this.

    One day, it's going to come down to a trade or a free agent signing to reload the team.

    Can't keep counting on lottery balls.
    Huh? I have no faith in being able to sign a max player, so I should be for the Spurs trading a young All-Star so that they can have max capspace in two years?

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    Huh? I have no faith in being able to sign a max player, so I should be for the Spurs trading a young All-Star so that they can have max capspace in two years?


    Don't worry, he'll eventually bite through the knot he's been twisted into.

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    Kidd can't shoot or penetrate. Our team needs scorers.

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    Just so we're clear... you would not trade for a proven All-Star with a max contract that comes off the books in 2009 for a good (not great) former All-Star, because you have no faith in your front office to leverage cap space to bring in a replacement star.

    Please confirm.

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    only if the nets waive tony parker and we can resign him.. oh yeah and brent barry too..

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    Just so we're clear... you would not trade for a proven All-Star with a max contract that comes off the books in 2009 for a good (not great) former All-Star,
    ...who's 25 years old...

    because you have no faith in your front office to leverage cap space to bring in a replacement star.

    Please confirm.
    Yes, I have no confidence that the Spurs could convince a free agent at Parker's level in 2009, when he's an ancient 28 years old, to come to small market boring ass San Antonio to play in Tim Duncan's shadow.

    What do you have against Parker? The Spurs are already set with a young star at point.

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    Where do you rank Tony Parker among NBA point guards?

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    Just so we're clear... you would not trade for a proven All-Star with a max contract that comes off the books in 2009 for a good (not great) former All-Star, because you have no faith in your front office to leverage cap space to bring in a replacement star.

    Please confirm.

    I would not trade a better player who is also much younger and on a cheaper yearly deal for a lesser one with 1 1/2 years max left.

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    ...who's 25 years old...



    Yes, I have no confidence that the Spurs could convince a free agent at Parker's level in 2009, when he's an ancient 28 years old, to come to small market boring ass San Antonio to play in Tim Duncan's shadow.

    What do you have against Parker? The Spurs are already set with a young star at point.
    El fin.

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    Never mind.

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    I would not trade a better player who is also much younger and on a cheaper yearly deal for a lesser one with 1 1/2 years max left.
    Yeah, but we're discussing Kidd for Parker and change. I have no idea what you are describing.

    Parker is a top 10 PG in a system that suits his style very well.

    Kidd is a top 3 PG who may be the greatest playmaker of the past decade.

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    Yeah, but we're discussing Kidd for Parker and change. I have no idea what you are describing.

    Parker is a top 10 PG in a system that suits his style very well.
    Top 10? What 10 NBA point guards are better than Parker?


    Kidd is a top 3 PG who may be the greatest playmaker of the past decade.
    Yeah, based on what did last decade. BFD. I thought the Spurs were 'too old' as it stands. Now you're happy moving a 25 year old rising star in exchange for a 36 year old nearing the end of his career?

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    Yeah, but we're discussing Kidd for Parker and change. I have no idea what you are describing.

    Parker is a top 10 PG in a system that suits his style very well.

    Kidd is a top 3 PG who may be the greatest playmaker of the past decade.
    Kidd was a top 3 point guard. No NBA GM would trade Parker for Kidd. Ifi you wanted to trade Parker for Kidd, the time was 5 years ago when Kidd was still a top 5-10 player.

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    Trade ideas/threads are getting old....we sound like suns fans

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