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If he's at least going through the motions, then I'm fine with it. If he isn't even suiting up, then there's a problem.
is playing in the NBA takes out any money value?
He wants to think about collecting millions' dollars for only a month?
This is frustrating for me and I hate the mavs
If he's at least going through the motions, then I'm fine with it. If he isn't even suiting up, then there's a problem.
, I guess he'll have to be door greeter at Meadowlands for a month. Maybe he wants twice the salary since it'll be 30x the work.
He's on the injured list I'm sure, which is where Van Horn will be. The league can't force New Jersey to dress him.
So, all KVH has to do is report and sit on the bench? The NBA is so ing stupid sometimes. Doing that doesn't make the trade any more legitimate.
Allow the trades this year and change the rule starting next season.
Pretty hard to change that rule. When Van Horn left, it sounded like he was seriously thinking of coming back in a year. You can't not allow players to take time off while retaining their Bird Rights.
agreed. alot of these BS loopholes do need to be closed up.
my problem is just if the league isn't forcing the Grizzlies to do anything with McKie, but then turn around and impose rules on Van Horn & the Nets.
if McKie's being forced to go through the motions the same as Van Horn will, then at least there's consistency in that.
Something can be done. IIRC, Indiana could still, conceivably, trade Rik Smits. That's a little much, no?
Sounds like they want him to be there the whole season.
Kidd trade on hold another day
Van Horn's involvement latest hurdle in blockbuster
Posted: Monday February 18, 2008 4:38PM; Updated: Monday February 18, 2008 6:17PM
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Former Mavericks forward Keith Van Horn hasn't played since the 2006 playoffs.
Former Mavericks forward Keith Van Horn hasn't played since the 2006 playoffs.
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By Chris Mannix, SI.com
The long-anticipated trade of Jason Kidd to the Dallas Mavericks will have to wait at least one more day.
The delay in getting NBA approval for the trade involves the inclusion of the semi-retired Keith Van Horn, according to league sources.
Van Horn has yet to sign off on certain stipluations laid out by the NBA that he must honor once he signs his contract, the sources said. Those conditions are believed to be that Van Horn, who has not played since the 2006 NBA Finals, must take a physical in New Jersey and maintain some kind of presence with the Nets for the rest of the season.
Dallas still owns Van Horn's rights -- the 32-year-old has not filed retirement papers with the league -- so his involvement in the trade is essentially to make the salary numbers work. He'd be signed then traded -- and, like Kidd, he'd be heading back to his original team.
After intial attempts to finalize a deal for Kidd collapsed last week, the Mavericks and Nets agreed to a revised deal Sunday night, with Van Horn and Trenton Hassell replacing Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George from the original proposal. New Jersey also would receive Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Maurice Ager, two first-round picks and $3 million.
"There's been a lot of talk that the deal is close to being done,'' Kidd said after helping the Eastern Conference win the All-Star Game on Sunday night. "I've heard that before. [When] I get a call from Rod [Thorn, the Nets' president] or [Mavericks owner Mark] Cuban, then it will be official.''
The Nets thought they had worked out a deal with the Mavericks last Wednesday, but George exercised his right to block the trade.
However, the deal may have been in trouble before that. Earlier that day, Stackhouse told The Associated Press that he may be able to rejoin the Mavs, an indication the Nets planned to buy out his contract.
"I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," Stackhouse said. "I ain't going nowhere."
Thorn said Friday that he had no side deal Stackhouse, an illegal arrangement that could have put the trade in jeopardy.
"I'm perfectly willing to take Stackhouse on my team. You can't make deals like that," Thorn said. "Those are illegal. You can't do that. I'm not going to do it."
The Associated Press contributed to this report
If these same rules apply to Aaron McKie, then no problem.Van Horn has yet to sign off on certain stipluations laid out by the NBA that he must honor once he signs his contract, the sources said. Those conditions are believed to be that Van Horn, who has not played since the 2006 NBA Finals, must take a physical in New Jersey and maintain some kind of presence with the Nets for the rest of the season.
If these same rules weren't put in place with him, that's a HUGE problem.
I'm just waiting for Rick Mahorn to be included in a trade by the 76ers. Maybe they can get John Salley from the Lakers.
Sorry, Lakers will only trade Sally for Billups.
Losing Bird Rights is an incredibly stiff price to pay for someone who's not a minimum player. If the league decides to end that loophole, what happens for someone like Varejao who was holding out on his contract and thus not signed? What if he held out for more than a year? You could say a "retired" player cannot be traded after signing, but then that means the Cavs couldn't do a sign and trade with Varejao assuming they've realized he won't come back. So now Varejao can't get a fair market value deal with another team, unless they have significant capspace. There is no way the Player's Association would ever allow Stern to get rid of the ability of players to keep Bird Rights while not on an NBA roster.
The Pistons will throw in Danny Manning if the Lakers throw in Ron Harper.
Do it, Joe!
I'd assume they can cap it, say 3 years.
And if they can't change the rule, stop adding stipulations to these trades. These teams are doing nothing illegal under the CBA.
at Dallas
, why do they need Keith Van Horn? I'll take $4 million to sit on the bench... I'll even practice with the team.
It's not hard to imagine a team in Europe throwing a 3 or 4 year deal at a guy who is unsatisfied with his NBA team's offer, and then we're right back at the exact same problem as before once that deal is up.
Before mavs fans commit suicide, ESPN also reported that their league "sources" said that Stackhouse would be forbidden to go back to the Mavs and Stern cleared that up.
Calm down, either by Tues or Wed, Jason Dinosaur Kidd will a mav. Unless KVH really says no and then both the Mavs and Nets should just disband their teams and give up as complete failures.
I don't think the Mavs have the MLE left to accommodate you (I think they used part on Eddie Jones; not sure about the rest).
I love how that ing moron (who is a Rockets fan) always tries to on the Mavs or suck Kobe's but the second anyone calls his out, he either doesn't respond, or makes up the most bull filled arguments I've seen.
Cuban was quoted on Saturday as saying that for KVH to be included in the deal, he had to report and be willing to play, he couldn't just sit at home and collect checks. Then on Sunday the news broke that the trade was back on with KVH in it. After EVERYTHING that has transpired, I cannot imagine that it was not made clear to KVH that his participation hinged on his willingness to physically report.
It sounds to me like the league is making it clear just how much KVH has to do and he wants to name his price for doing it. He's made a ton of money in his career so he's probably not hurting for $4 million in cash, but at the same time, there is such a thing as making it worth your while. I"m pretty sure that this trade is going through but as a Mavs fan, I cannot stress enough how ing irritating this whole situation has been.
Like everyone else said, if after the George and Stackhouse FUBARS, if they didn't get all their ducks in a row with KVH, then they have no one but themselves to blame for the mess they're in. A lot of erroneous information has already been put out there already, such as Stack being forbidden to return to Dallas in the event of the trade, and I don't know what to make of Falk's comments. One way or the other I'm sure this trade is going to go down, they long since went past the point of no return, but it might not be until the Thursday deadline, and Kidd might not be a Mav by the tipoff on Wednesday night against NOLA.
I might just have to boycott the Internet until Thursday instead of refreshing ad infinitum.
Why is it a complete joke?
This gets funnier every day.
Like cancer!
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