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Here's a few more weird cults to plump up the thread:
http://www. holes.net/2008/02/8-m...and-cults.html
Although, I must concede that if one defines cult as a religious society that claims to be part of a mainstream religion while rejecting some of that religion's major tenets, then yes, by that definition, LDS is a cult. It rejects monotheism, for instance.
Here's a few more weird cults to plump up the thread:
http://www. holes.net/2008/02/8-m...and-cults.html
Eh, I'm not convinced that someone with the ego to become President is likely to be very much beholden to anyone for eternal salvation.
Just the same, I'm not gonna risk it....especially when the Senate Majority Leader is one, as well.
Which one do you belong too?
Because they are basically all the same. Yes I am one of those who views all religions the same because of the knowledge that I've gained from them. There's no difference to me between muslim and jew, catholic or mormon, or protestant or whatever.
It is all the same. But I do think that Mormonism should be considered Christianity because their basic fundamental principle is about Jesus Christ just like mainstream Christianity.
Thank you.
That explains it.
Explains what?
Your views.
They are based on cliche and pseudo-intellectualism.
You confirmed it.
Wow... we seem to have some bigoted people here...
I could be wrong, but a Mormon can stay with his faith and hold positions like Commander in Chief, without compremise of his faith or oath of office. A Quaker would have to compromise their religious values. A Quaker true to their faith would never accept the reality of being Commander in Chief, or properly do such a job.
Pixil hit it dead on for my longwinded question. I never really though I would see so much disregard for Mormons here. The Mormons do believe in the Bible as written. Like was pointed out, Joseph Smith had what some would say a revelation. It is said he was visited by an angel, and given a scroll of which he translated. The beliefs do not defy Christianity as they are additions to it. The Catholics and any other sect of Christianity do the same things. Add their own interpretations to what cannot be found in the Bible.
Get over it people. Whether Smith really had a divine visit, or is a fraud, doesn't matter. Quite frankly I believe any form of organized religion has been corrupted by someone using God for personal gain. That aside, Mormons are some of the best people you will ever find. Most of them maintain a level or morality that few other people of faith achieve.
At least when you understand the literal words of the oldest forms of the Bible, the Mormon beliefs do not contradict the original Hebrew and Chadean text! Other Christian faiths do!
Interesting links:
wiki: Quaker influences
Well known Mormons
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Technically they were golden tablets. And yes he translated them. But I agree with you that Mormonism is part of Christianity.
I think some people just don't want to accept it because of whatever reason. Maybe it's the polygamist thing.
Can I ask a dumb question. Who really cares? I have a hard time
understanding some folks in my own religion much less someone
from a "different" religion. In my own humble opinion, when
the judgement day arrives I think a lot of people are going to
be greatly surprised when they find people from all faiths there
and passing thru those pearly gates. And yes I truly believe
that.
Agreed. I see it more as personal spiritaulity rather than any one dogma. I think unless someone follows corrupted values and as long as they try do what they belief is right, the spirit moves up rather than down.
I agree with you there. When I seldom believe that there is a god, I'm pretty sure it's all the same.
Christianity is a monotheistic religion. Mormonism is polytheistic. Christianity belives in an uncreated and transcendant God. Mormonism believes that gods are created and corporeal. Mormonism believes that human beings can become gods. Christianity does not believe that.
These are major fundamental differences at the core of theology. By your definition, if somebody developed a strain of Pastafarianism that claimed that Jesus Christ was the primary prophet of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that strain must therefore be Christian because it had become centered around Jesus.
The bigotry against Mormons in the latter part of the 20th century stems from a campaign by the Southern Baptist Convention to villify them. A significant number of Baptists were impressed by the clean lifestyle of Mormons and were apostasizing from Christianity to Mormonism. The SBC responded with a campaign that claimed that not only was LDS deviant from orthodox Protestant Christianity, but that it also was a dangerous cult. This meme spread to other evangelical groups.
Some Christians refuse to vote for a Mormon because they fear his election would lend a higher profile to the LDS faith and cause more people to convert.
My personal position is that I actually affirm the part of the Cons ution that says there shall be no religious test for public office, and that my evaluation of a candidate has more to do with the degree his political values agree with mine than whether his religion agrees with mine. On that ground, Romney's religion was a non-issue for me. Somehow, Orrin Hatch and Gordon Smith have managed to serve America well in the Senate without subverting our political process to the whims of the LDS Church.
However, to be clear, Islam is closer to orthodox Christianity than Mormonism is, regardless of whether LDS uses the Bible as part of its scriptures or not. There is no such thing as polytheistic Christianity.
I will concur with your observation about the admirable morality of many Mormon families.
Hey, As a matter of information. The FBI used to recruit from
the Mormons. J. Edgar thought they made the best agents.
Look it up.
I have always respected the young men who went out and
practiced what they preached. You may not like it, but you
sure cant knock it. And one the best neighbors I ever had
was a Mormon. Of course, lemon pie and water wasnt my
choice. But it worked....LOL
There's nothing polytheistic about Mormonism. The fact that they consider god, jesus, and the holy spirit to be seperate doesn't make it a polytheistic religion.
I guess you could interpret that as being a polytheistic but I would consider that they believe the "oneness to be in purpose, desire, and all divine attributes" to be a monotheistic belief.The Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants both describe God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost as being "one God," though Latter-day Saints generally understand this oneness to be in purpose, desire, and all divine attributes while maintaining their physical and personal distinctness.
Sure. Of course. And who am I to tell them they are wrong...who are you? Nobody.By your definition, if somebody developed a strain of Pastafarianism that claimed that Jesus Christ was the primary prophet of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that strain must therefore be Christian because it had become centered around Jesus.
Polytheistic= more than one God.
how about the fact they can become gods.I guess you could interpret that as being a polytheistic but I would consider that they believe the "oneness to be in purpose, desire, and all divine attributes" to be a monotheistic belief.
uh..the facts?Sure. Of course. And who am I to tell them they are wrong...who are you? Nobody.
Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit comprise the one God of Earth. Every habitated planet has its own separate god. Faithful Mormons upon death become the gods of their own planets which they then populate with their spirit children. There are an innumerable number of gods in the Mormon universe.
I actually believe there are things which are propositionally true about my religion. I am not one of these postmodern airheads who think that no shred of truth is really verifiable, that everything is context- and experience-dependent, and that words don't really mean things. In my belief system, certain major beliefs comprise the necessary dogma of the kernel of faith, which if unbelieved by somebody precludes his being a Christian. I don't begrudge anyone's right to believe what he wants if he causes no one harm, but I do not share the communal fellowship of the faithful with him if he does not believe the same things.
I'm not a fact.
I guess what my point of emphasis is that if you don't consider Mormonism to be part of Christianity or whatever, then I must really ask do you believe that Joseph Smith was lying?
I mean really in that do entary a evangelical said he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith was visited by god or jesus, but that he doesn't believe that Joseph Smith was lying about the entire thing.
So it begs the question for alot of people to consider and one of the main reasons why the religious part of my brain has to believe Mormonism to be important, do you think he was lying or made it up?
In the religious sense, I have to believe it happened because it is proof to me that God if there is one, did not stop giving revelation and visions after the events of the Bible. God still can give new revelations even up until the present time. Well as present as 1830 can get.
In the subject of the god of different planets deal I actually find that to be rather interesting in many ways. Because it allows for the concept of their to be life on other planets and as far as I know, Christianity doesn't allow for anything like that. God is the ruler of the universe in Christianity, but it never actually says that life was put on these other planets as well.
Can I ask a question. Is the question about Quakers and Mormons
going to be answered here. Or for that matter is any question
about religion going to ever be answered. Not in my life or yours.
Any religion that "rules" by fear is wrong. And don't start the
" fire" and "brimstone" junk. I am talking about where you
have the religious police out checking on the people and
their everyday life.
Bottom line: One needs to be informed and well prepared to discuss religion with ES .
Duff, you clearly are not.
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