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Well, if we're going to keep it civil, one could argue that the threat of drug wars (especially on the border) could be seen as escaping an oppression, but admittedly, most undo ented immigrants from Mexico aren't coming here because of that.
I wanted to say that too, but I was afraid of having the corrupt political system and very very corrupt police officers getting thrown back in my face.
Well, if we're going to keep it civil, one could argue that the threat of drug wars (especially on the border) could be seen as escaping an oppression, but admittedly, most undo ented immigrants from Mexico aren't coming here because of that.
No I agree 1000%.
You know how people love to throw stuff in my face when i try to post SOMETHING
I don't think we should go down there and say "look you do this do that" just help em out. Say hey, were here for ya, were gonna open up trade with ya, hopefully tourism can return and hopefully you can get some money infused, get your people working, and the downtrodden can rise up a bit and have a chance.
You're right about that.
But, using the rationale of political oppression, why don't we allow people from many African nations to come for the exact same reason?
Also, Mexicans are coming in because they too are oppressed. They may not be living in a Communist nation, but they are repressed nonetheless. Or, would you make the argument that the Mexican government is a model for a democratic government?
Ruwanda, Kenya, Niger, Zaire, and many other West African nations also deserve a break, but I don't see anyone in our government looking out for their welfare.
Yes, because they can't fend for themselves.
If there is data to back that up, then that argument could very well hold some water.
However, people from Mexico are looking to escape the oppressed atmosphere that has long dominated Mexico. When you can't live life without having to fear the various cartels that have the real power, and when you can't count on your government to protect you from said dangers, I think you can make a point that you're fleeing because you feel repressed.
AFAIK, we do allow political prisoners from African nations to seek refuge in the U.S., although admittedly, it is much easier (relatively speaking) for Cubans to do so considering the travel distance.
I agree the Mexicans are economically oppressed by corruption in local, state and federal offices, but you have to give me that the average Mexican citizen isn't under as large a threat of incarceration for speaking out against the government as Cubans are.
So, if they choose a Socialist government, you would be okay with that? You would want your government to help Cuba become a Socialist government?No I agree 1000%.
You know how people love to throw stuff in my face when i try to post SOMETHING
I don't think we should go down there and say "look you do this do that" just help em out. Say hey, were here for ya, were gonna open up trade with ya, hopefully tourism can return and hopefully you can get some money infused, get your people working, and the downtrodden can rise up a bit and have a chance.
What if Cuba decides to go the Hugo Chavez way?
Or, if they decide to stay with Communism and adopt the China way (who has an open relationship with the U.S.A.?
Would you still be willing to "help them out"?
So America doesn't send millions upon millions to those countries?Ruwanda, Kenya, Niger, Zaire, and many other West African nations also deserve a break, but I don't see anyone in our government looking out for their welfare.
ok.
Look I don't want to argue, I just wanted to say this is a historic occasion and hopefully we can help the people of Cuba out.
Why not, our government is pretty socialist and after the next election will get further and further that way.So, if they choose a Socialist government, you would be okay with that? You would want your government to help Cuba become a Socialist government?
As I mentioned before, I don't have many facts in this argument, solely opinions that are open for change. But I will also agree with you that there is indeed a large threat to Mexicans because of lack of safety, but let's face it, there aren't a lot of people saying that when they cross the borders and the greater threats of oppression (mainly death) fall upon those charged with law enforcement who aren't corrupt.
1. Can Africans from politcally oppressive governments just show up on American soil and automatically be given residency?
It's funny, I've never read anything about Kenyan soccer player defecting with the help of government officials.
2. People that work in journalism are still being killed in Mexico for expressing their viewpoints.
As a matter of fact, a female journalist (can't remember her name at the moment) was killed a couple of years ago because she was exposing government ties to the "Bus Gangs" in Mexico City.
So, sending millions to a county = giving people American Citizenship?
Really?
Isn't that the group of dudes that drive around in the van and have sex with the chicks in the van and then post it on the internet for me to enjoy?
So, for the record, your okay with the U.S. supporting a Socialist or Communist government?
I'd like to know the answer to that question.
Did I ing say that?
NO.
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Admittedly, I don't know the process of seeking political asylum, but I would assume it's offered the same way.
Agreed. But the average Mexican doesn't have the platform with which to expose corruption as the periodistas do.
2. People that work in journalism are still being killed in Mexico for expressing their viewpoints.
As a matter of fact, a female journalist (can't remember her name at the moment) was killed a couple of years ago because she was exposing government ties to the "Bus Gangs" in Mexico City.
Thanks for the laugh John.
I get what your saying, JB. But, just because one government is less corrupt than the other doesn't make it less repressing.
I lived my entire life right on the border. I know how repressive the Mexican government can be. I KNOW people come here to escape that, just like Cubans do.
But, only Cubans get a straight path to citizenship. Mexicans get shipped back. And, the only reason that Cubans get this treatment is to with Castro. There is no other reason.
It's not.
That's true, I'll give you that.
You made a lame attempt at it.
If your argument holds no water, don't post it.
And, you never answered the question . . .
Pardon me, I didn't realize you were the forum moderater.
Quite the "Im better than you" bull cause its really gotten old.
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