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I completely forgot that he also made Chauncey Billups look like a total amateur running that Olympic team offense. Kidd only did that because he sucks so bad.
Hindsight needs no contact lenses. At the time, even without the option year, the Suns were wayyyyyyyy over-spending to get Nash. Cuban's decision not to match was questionable but it wasn't a bonehead move at the time. Nash' production and ability to make the Suns instant contenders proved the decision to be wrong. But, that criticism has the luxury of seeing what has happened the last 4 or so years.
I completely forgot that he also made Chauncey Billups look like a total amateur running that Olympic team offense. Kidd only did that because he sucks so bad.
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Seriously, I already liked this trade, but the more and more I think about it, the more I like it. It will be nice to see what Kidd can do with a good, unselfish team, as well as plenty of guys who hit their open shots and threes. If he can average 10 APG with a team that lacks shooters, and has VC taking perfect passes from Kidd, only to dribble back outside and either jack up a bad shot, or force a pointless drive, and then RJ being hurt for 50 games a year, I wonder what he will do with this team. And people that think this team is less athletic... dont be suprized to see Howard, Stack, and Bass getting a plethora of alley-oops.
Billups looks like an amateur running any offense, and Kidd is a very smart and skilled passer. That doesn't make him able to score.
Billups is an amateur running an uptempo, run-and-gun style offense.
Saying Billups is an amateur running any offense is silly talk.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Not less athletic, just less defensive. Let me iterate.
Seriously, I already liked this trade, but the more and more I think about it, the more I like it. It will be nice to see what Kidd can do with a good, unselfish team, as well as plenty of guys who hit their open shots and threes. If he can average 10 APG with a team that lacks shooters, and has VC taking perfect passes from Kidd, only to dribble back outside and either jack up a bad shot, or force a pointless drive, and then RJ being hurt for 50 games a year, I wonder what he will do with this team. And people that think this team is less athletic... dont be suprized to see Howard, Stack, and Bass getting a plethora of alley-oops.
First and foremost, Devin Harris. 2nd most charges drawn in the NBA last season, has incredible footspeed, and has developed some leadership qualities on the court and probably in the locker room. While he could be bullied on D, his ability to take charges so well often was used against the bigger guards matched up against him. Now, Kidd is going to get murdered by every fast PG/2G there is, and if he doesnt wanna play defense as hard as he did in 2002/03 because hes tired or old, do you think Avery Johnson is going to say ok?
Diop is next. He was the best shotblocker on the Mavs, period -- he may have been in Avery's doghouse, but I think this could prove to be one of their biggest mistakes. Whos guards Duncan now? Dampier? Dirk? Please. I remember Damp and Dirk trying to guard Duncan in 2006 - the Mavs ultimately won, but Timmy averaged 32ppg and 11rebs. and that was with diop sometimes being there to help (things were small that series, but diop did wait on the weakside a few times). Now what do they do?
Do you see what I'm getting at? The mavs are putting all their eggs in one 35yr old basket. They should have just continued to put their eggs in a 31 year old nash's and a 26 year old dirk's baskets a few years ago.
Jesus.
Reading all the Spurfan responses, I full expect the Mavs to lose 300-4 to the mighty Spurs every time they match up now. Oh, what has happened to Dallas? They no longer have Terry, Howard, Dirk, Stack, Bass...they're all gone thanks to this trade.
Who's going to stop the awesome offensive display of Michael Finley? The basketball prowess of Matt Bonner? The shooting skills of Bruce Bowen and the inside dominance of Oberto? HOLY ! THE MAVS ARE ED!
Is that true????Let's ask Kevin Johnson...
"He [Nash] was the third guard behind Jason Kidd and I when he broke in with the Suns in 1996. I said time and time again, he was by far the best point guard of the three of us, even then. In practice every day, he would drill us."
If yes, then wow
I don't have an answer for that, but I do know who can stay 3 hours drooling while looking at championship trophies wondering if he/they will have one of those one day...
I don't know that you're ed, but I actually feel a lot better about our chances of repeating now. Diop was actually one of the few guys that could guard Tim one on one, and he's gone. Harris used to be one of the few that made Parker work hard on defense, and he's gone too.
Who's going to guard Duncan now? Erica? You know he gets 3 fouls in 5 minutes guarding Duncan. Parker has a long history of schooling Kidd.
Now, as mono mentioned somewhere else, it's the price you pay to match up better with the rest of the league. There's also the business factor that Cubes brought up in his blog, selling merchandising and giving a spark to the franchise.
I think you may be overrating the work of Diop on Duncan. The bulk of this legend comes from OT in Game 7 where Duncan looked whipped and Diop was fairly rested at that point. Aside from that, I think most would laugh at anyone that thought Diop could consistently guard Duncan.
Here's an, oh I don't know, minor difference between Kidd and Nash:
ht_p://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jkidd1.html
This is absolutely it. People are talking like Diop owned Duncan that series, but Duncan averaged like 35 points a game, and he had in plantar fasciitis. Diop played great in the OT of game 7, but he was BY NO MEANS a "Duncan stopper" that people are making him out to be.
Kidd or Nash aint no God Shammgod.
How about Tony Parker abuses both!
Yep Dallas can't stop any of the spurs top 3 players now. We gutted the wrong part of our team. Harris and Diop are our best 2 defenders against Parker and Duncan. No one can guard Ginobili. Yes I think we are screwed against the spurs.
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