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What the ? He's been in the Finals twice and in the playoffs more years than Devin has been in the league.
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What the ? He's been in the Finals twice and in the playoffs more years than Devin has been in the league.
Anyone who truly believes that Kidd is not an upgrade over Harris is a idiot.
I did not say he is not an upgrade. of course he is an upgrade. But not a Huge upgrade.
not to mention the loss of Diop. good luck with Erica Dampier vs. Spurs/Suns with Shaq
how long you been a spur fan nkdl?
since I heard "with the 57th pick in the draft, Spurs select Manu Ginobili"
rememeber when Jason Kidd made two consecutive finals appearances?
yeah, I also remember the East had really ty teams back then.
Goodbye you crying flopping .
Jason Kidd had a really ty team too, and got it past other ty teams. Now he inherits a really good team. Let's see what he can do.
Was Manu traded?
Devin Harris is 5 times the flopper Manu is. Anyone have the clip of Jason Richardson teabagging him?Was Manu traded?
He won 12 straight games to get to those finals. Including the Pistons the year before they won it.
He was 30 then, in his prime, and before microsurgery on his knee.
Don't forget also that the Pistons you mention were coached by Rick Carslile and didn't have, among other players, Rasheed Wallace.
I do think he's an upgrade for Dallas. I'm just not sold it is a incredible upgrade.
Does the fact that he's 4 years older mean he's less experienced?
Carlisle is a damn good coach, and they were still the top defensive team in the league without Wallace. 12 straight wins even in the east is still 12 straight wins, especially in the payoffs.
The fact that Kidd is so inept offensively (i.e. can't hit a jumpshot to save his life) will neutralize a lot of his strengths as a PG. You were better off keeping Harris.
Anyone discounting Kidd is just trying to dismiss the trade. Was it a good trade for the Spurs? Yes. I love it.
Is Kidd a big upgrade over Harris? NO question, if not for the very fact that the Mavs were seen as the pussiest team the league before this trade, but at least they have a chance to shed some of that. Who do you want running a play in the crunch? Dirk and Devin (their two options before) or Kidd?
I'm not discounting Kidd. I actually was one saying Dallas needed to upgrade the leadership factor, and they did. But they did it at the expense of athleticism, and that's what I'm not entirely sold out about.
I'll give you this, during his better Nets years, he made K-Mart look like a superstar, and that's quite an accomplishment right there.
Kidd has always been inept offensively, yet he's a top PG. hmmm
Was Devin Harris THAT bad? From what I saw of him he was definitely on an upward swing in terms of development. The Mavericks when fully healthy were a tough team to beat, I don't think they had to mess with their team like the Suns did who clearly didn't have a chance.
No Harris is a great player, but I've never seen him so overrated before until this trade.
Mavs when fully healthy were a great regular season team. We all know how the playoffs for them goes. I think they finally realized they needed someone with balls on their team, who could run a play in the clutch instead of depending on Daisy Dirk all the time. To me, this trade helps them in the short run, hurts them in certain matchups, but was necessary. No one believed in them and they obviously didn't believe in themselves.
The Mavs have no low post players now. I think the Duncans, Sheeds, Garnetts, Shaqs, etc. are going to have a field day. Dalles's offense will be more high powered though.
That's quite an overexagerration of the skills of Diop. They lose their backup center and his 15mpg and they now have "no low post players"? It's easier to say they never had one before than to overvalue the presence of Diop.
This is ing nuts. We gave up an above-average PG who took 4 years to develop into a somewhat serviceable starter, and a 15 minute a night backup center, and added a Hall Of Fame PG whose court vision is still the best in the league, and we lost on this deal?
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